Comments on: Point/Counterpoint in the Blogosphere… http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Tue, 21 May 2013 22:42:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Lea http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/comment-page-1/#comment-135698 Lea Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:45:23 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/#comment-135698 I will side with Betty; "some people say" is a form of what is sometimes called "weasel words," phrasing an argument so as to allege that it's supported, without ever specifying who it is who supports it or why. Hats off to Little Miss Ad Hominem. I will side with Betty; “some people say” is a form of what is sometimes called “weasel words,” phrasing an argument so as to allege that it’s supported, without ever specifying who it is who supports it or why.

Hats off to Little Miss Ad Hominem.

]]> By: Gail http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/comment-page-1/#comment-135141 Gail Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:37:22 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/#comment-135141 Bleah, Tammy, if I were half as smart as you, I'd be twice as smart as me. You know I adore ya and admire you to no end. And I don't think I'm any nicer--I say stupid things about as often as I hit the keyboard. Ask Rick Olney if I'm nice. :) I'm just giving someone I know to be a good person the benefit of the doubt until I can talk to them. As I've said, on the face of it, I'm not crazy about the quote, but I'd like to hear from Misty about it, is really my only point. Gail Bleah, Tammy, if I were half as smart as you, I’d be twice as smart as me. You know I adore ya and admire you to no end.

And I don’t think I’m any nicer–I say stupid things about as often as I hit the keyboard. Ask Rick Olney if I’m nice. :)

I’m just giving someone I know to be a good person the benefit of the doubt until I can talk to them. As I’ve said, on the face of it, I’m not crazy about the quote, but I’d like to hear from Misty about it, is really my only point.

Gail

]]> By: Tamora Pierce http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/comment-page-1/#comment-135125 Tamora Pierce Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:50:22 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/#comment-135125 I've said stupid things too, God knows, particularly when I get jacked and am talking and open my mouth too big. But I could not let a remark that implied a sane human being might be jealous of a comic book character's physique go by; I just couldn't. And let's face it, Gail, you are a WAY better, nicer person than I am! You do bring out the good in people! Tammy I’ve said stupid things too, God knows, particularly when I get jacked and am talking and open my mouth too big. But I could not let a remark that implied a sane human being might be jealous of a comic book character’s physique go by; I just couldn’t.

And let’s face it, Gail, you are a WAY better, nicer person than I am! You do bring out the good in people!

Tammy

]]> By: Betty http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/comment-page-1/#comment-135050 Betty Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:45:42 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/#comment-135050 Val, I don't think saying "some people say" is really superior to a bald assertion; it's just another form of "the lurkers support me in email." If I were to say "I've heard on LJ that Val is just defending Misty Lee because they're having a wild affair. Now, I'm not saying I necessarily agree...,"* that would frankly be worse than simply alleging it. *I have heard no such thing on LJ, that was randomly manufactured, and a falsehood. Val, I don’t think saying “some people say” is really superior to a bald assertion; it’s just another form of “the lurkers support me in email.”

If I were to say “I’ve heard on LJ that Val is just defending Misty Lee because they’re having a wild affair. Now, I’m not saying I necessarily agree…,”* that would frankly be worse than simply alleging it.

*I have heard no such thing on LJ, that was randomly manufactured, and a falsehood.

]]> By: Gail http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/comment-page-1/#comment-133604 Gail Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:34:37 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/#comment-133604 Thank you, Elayne, that of course had not occurred to me. I've said many things myself that were thick with a peculiar brand of jackassery and it's entirely possible that in this case that this comment is as bad as it sounds, but was not intentionally meant to be so. Reading it cold out of context, I'm not crazy about it, certainly, and I get why smart people of all body shapes are annoyed by the implications. My only real point here is that that reading doesn't seem anything like the Misty Lee I know who is endlessly kind and gracious to virtually everyone, so it seems a bit off to me. Has she responded to any of this yet, does anyone know? I'm not trying to whitewash anything, it's just that something seems a bit hinky and I'm open to the possibility that there's a contextual component not included here (I've spent my outrage foolishly in the past and am a bit more careful now). Best, Gail Thank you, Elayne, that of course had not occurred to me.

I’ve said many things myself that were thick with a peculiar brand of jackassery and it’s entirely possible that in this case that this comment is as bad as it sounds, but was not intentionally meant to be so. Reading it cold out of context, I’m not crazy about it, certainly, and I get why smart people of all body shapes are annoyed by the implications. My only real point here is that that reading doesn’t seem anything like the Misty Lee I know who is endlessly kind and gracious to virtually everyone, so it seems a bit off to me.

Has she responded to any of this yet, does anyone know?

I’m not trying to whitewash anything, it’s just that something seems a bit hinky and I’m open to the possibility that there’s a contextual component not included here (I’ve spent my outrage foolishly in the past and am a bit more careful now).

Best,

Gail

]]> By: Lisa Fortuner http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/comment-page-1/#comment-133387 Lisa Fortuner Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:14:16 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/#comment-133387 Gail -- I was with a group of friends discussing weight loss once. One of them had a thyroid problem that I knew about (but tended to forget), and she was complaining about how a third friend thought that weight loss was all about diet. I blurted out, without thinking, "Its exercise too" and got a look that would sour pasteurized milk and, of course, yelled at. Did I mean to offend? No. Did I like my friend? Yes. Was it still an unbelievable stupid and offensive thing to say to someone with a diagnosed medical condition that prevented weight loss? Yes. Was she perfectly within her rights to be offended and upset? Yes. Did it deserve to be corrected severely and quickly? Hell yes. Am I still friends with her? Yes. Gail — I was with a group of friends discussing weight loss once. One of them had a thyroid problem that I knew about (but tended to forget), and she was complaining about how a third friend thought that weight loss was all about diet.

I blurted out, without thinking, “Its exercise too” and got a look that would sour pasteurized milk and, of course, yelled at.

Did I mean to offend? No.

Did I like my friend? Yes.

Was it still an unbelievable stupid and offensive thing to say to someone with a diagnosed medical condition that prevented weight loss? Yes.

Was she perfectly within her rights to be offended and upset? Yes.

Did it deserve to be corrected severely and quickly? Hell yes.

Am I still friends with her? Yes.

]]> By: Elayne Riggs http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/comment-page-1/#comment-133380 Elayne Riggs Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:56:28 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/#comment-133380 Well Gail, there's always the possibility that otherwise nice people occasionally say stupid things. Well Gail, there’s always the possibility that otherwise nice people occasionally say stupid things.

]]> By: Gail http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/comment-page-1/#comment-133291 Gail Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:49:16 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/#comment-133291 I am not fully up on this particular thing, but I have to say, having met Misty many times, she is incredibly kind, generous, and very very down-to-Earth. I adore Tamora Pierce also and have tremendous respect for her fierce intelligence. So in this case, my uninformed guess is that there's a misunderstanding here somewhere. These are two really strong, admirable women, both of whom I'm proud to call friends. I strongly suspect that there's either something in the telling or the reading that was not quite as intended. Gail I am not fully up on this particular thing, but I have to say, having met Misty many times, she is incredibly kind, generous, and very very down-to-Earth. I adore Tamora Pierce also and have tremendous respect for her fierce intelligence. So in this case, my uninformed guess is that there’s a misunderstanding here somewhere. These are two really strong, admirable women, both of whom I’m proud to call friends. I strongly suspect that there’s either something in the telling or the reading that was not quite as intended.

Gail

]]> By: Melissa Krause http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/comment-page-1/#comment-133263 Melissa Krause Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:51:08 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/#comment-133263 Yes, the occurrance of additional information/argument at the source site is the reason why I always make certain to include the suitable links. However, I was remiss in not including my usual notation that the blockquoted portions were excerpts of the whole.  This has been remedied. Thank you. Yes, the occurrance of additional information/argument at the source site is the reason why I always make certain to include the suitable links.

However, I was remiss in not including my usual notation that the blockquoted portions were excerpts of the whole.  This has been remedied.

Thank you.

]]> By: David The G http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/comment-page-1/#comment-133262 David The G Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:46:27 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/15/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-45/#comment-133262 The Video Store Girl also added this in the comments section of her blog: I just sat through the whole podcast, and while I can see how the 'cast in its entirety would piss off certain people, Misty did *not* say that "fat ugly girls" are the only ones who complain -- only that it's the perception of some people. I do think it's ironic that she spoke so much on the podcast about people who are singled out with their words taken out of context and then she's singled out with her words taken out of context. The Video Store Girl also added this in the comments section of her blog:

I just sat through the whole podcast, and while I can see how the ‘cast in its entirety would piss off certain people, Misty did *not* say that “fat ugly girls” are the only ones who complain — only that it’s the perception of some people. I do think it’s ironic that she spoke so much on the podcast about people who are singled out with their words taken out of context and then she’s singled out with her words taken out of context.

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