So it seems everyone and his brother wants to comment on how “overblown” and “out of proportion” the reaction to the Mary Jane Washerwoman statue is. I’ve been watching these blow-ups for a while now, and it stuck to the normal lifecycle of a major outrage. One or two people notice it at first, and are ignored until a well-known and widely-read person blogs about it and suddenly complaints are popping up all over the blogosphere. The outrage heats for a varying amount of time, depending not on the degree of the insult but on the popularity of the person who blogged about it combined with the popularity of the people who picked it up.
For the purposes of the Mary Jane as Washerwoman statue, Devil Doll has a few hundred people watching her blog. Apparently, a large number of them are interested in Mary Jane Watson-Parker (the Spiderman movie just opened, after all) and how she’s portrayed in a statue. Each of those friends have friends and are members of communities. Because of the friendslist that allows people to instantly read all of their friends’ livejournals in one place, word travels fast when it starts traveling on livejournal. When it has legs, it goes far.
This statue has legs.
We compiled the links on WFA as fast as we could, including the first few posts saying this is no big deal. This continued for a day or so when suddenly the first major criticism broke. Prior to the first major criticism, this was me tracking a meme across livejournal. It spread just like those little quizzes and games do. It was taking over my website, but I was trying to keep it separate from the other matters. It would have traveled a bit farther, then died out.
Then a well-read blogger opened his metaphorical mouth and dismissed the outrage as a hive mentality. He connected it to a previous dispute and suddenly a whole lot of people who were suspiciously quiet up until now joined in, denouncing the “hysterical flocking fangirls” and the “humorless prudish feminists” in long posts championing the rights of masculinity and the nobility of open sexuality. A little after that, the scandal reached a few major liberal blogs and Boing Boing (not because of the size of the dispute, but because two individuals mailed the links to those blogs). The Boing Boing link brought the average Boing Boing reader to When Fangirls Attack.
That’s when all Hell broke loose.
Devil Doll’s livejournal was overrun with negative comments, including multiple comments from a single person. She was forced to freeze the post from all of the fuss. Other posts on the original set of links were trolled mercilessly, even WFA got a few rude comments (which were met by puzzlement, because surely that’s like yelling at the laundry basket for a discolored shirt). Posts started popping up all over the blogosphere, again focused on denouncing the “hysterical flocking fangirls” and “humorless prudish feminazis.”
It was frustrating to many, because this was the point in the lifecycle of an outrage where the seed of disgust grows to bear the fruit of the intellect, and the sheer size of this outrage gave way to harvest of beautiful and thoughtful fan analysis that was sadly ignored by critics too willing to write the entire issue off as a woman thing, the fangirls flocking and frenzying around another cause, the Bacchanites losing their patience with Orpheus and tearing him to pieces over a refusal to cater to their fannish whims, ingrates who ignored all the beauty he was capable of in their insatiable bloodlust.
In addition to drawing attention to the naturally bestial nature of the fangirl, these Trolls of Sanity did their best to ensure the true injustices of the world would not be dwarfed by the spectre of this statue! As well as being told that our time was better spent blogging about Darfur, the Middle East, the crime rate, domestic violence, child abuse, little old ladies being unable to cross the street and the proverbial partridge in a pear tree, we were reminded that the statue were made by boys for boys and that we were being unreasonable and selfish when we complained about the perpetuation of a centuries-old stereotype created specifically to keep women in their place. We were taught that because there were worse portrayals of women in comic books, that this was certainly nothing to get bothered about. We were duly informed that sexism was then norm in superhero comics and that this was no big deal. We had the option simply not the buy it. (Who knew?) We were asked to explain exactly what we did want from comics, because all of this negativity was turning away potential allies. We were told that we had a point, but to please calm down because it was unsettling and unbecoming of young ladies and gentlemen. We were asking for special treatment. We were a special minority. We were ignoring the sad plight of the straight white horny male comic book reader, frustrated because he couldn’t indulge his appreciation for the sexuality of a fictional woman without being swarmed by wild women, enraged Amazons out for blood!
Indeed, the level of outrage at the statue seems minuscule in comparison to the level of outrage generated by the outrage at the statue.
In the past few days, fangirls have been treated to the indignities of anonymous commenters insulting their appearance and motives. Fangirls find themselves answering trolls who never stuck around to hear the ready-made retorts to their flawed arguments. Fangirls have been unable to prevent complete strangers from invading their blogs, ignoring all actual points from the original post and intellectually masturbating to strawmen in the comments. Fangirls suddenly find themselves on the defense, after months and years of blogging without trouble, they are suddenly swamped with trolls with varying strategies and seemingly varying motivations, but with the common goal of shutting down all discourse on the implications of this statue.
Fanboys have emerged from their message boards, their own blogging communities, their mom’s basements and their well-worn spots in the woodwork to enter our previously woman-safe places and our previously woman-safe spaces, stand on the highest point and shout at the top of their lungs: THERE’S NOTHING TO BE UPSET ABOUT!!! THIS ISN’T WORTH TALKING ABOUT!!! WHY ARE YOU WASTING YOUR TIME ON THIS STUPID SUBJECT YOU HYSTERICAL GIRL-CREATURE!!!
Despite being the supposedly logical sex, they don’t seem to think that complaining about someone else complaining too much is an even bigger waste of time than complaining in the first place.
Something’s up.
Someone hit a nerve. Someone tapped a well of something while we were raging through the wilderness. These complaints breached a deep reservoir of guilt or fear that lay just beneath the surface of fandom. It bubbled up from that reservoir and spilled on the loudest and wildest of the women, a warning to the rest of us to play along like nice little girls and think twice before tapping away at our little keyboards.
For some people, this is shocking, because they’ve complained and analyzed and ranted and aside from when Girl-Wonder.org got trolled by 4chan (which was an active call to terrorize them), we haven’t seen this sort of reaction. It’s been feared. I regularly ask people to unlock entries on livejournal so I could link them. For the first time today that request was met with reluctance.
Personally, I’m feeling pretty powerful.
I’ve been called a shitkicker and there’s no denying the impulse, but I sincerely feel that this backlash is a sign that we are on the right track. These people are going out of their way to shut us up. They are dropping insults on multiple blogs, they are creating user accounts to get past blogs that don’t allow anonymous commenters, they are dedicating their energy to writing pages and pages of text that willfully misses the point in the effort to exhaust the original poster. I just saw someone break down on this very blog, asking why everyone was so intent on ignoring the problems of the industry. We’re getting mainstream attention. Political feminists are blogging this. It’s getting into newspapers. They are officially freaked out and trying to push us down.
It’s tempting to compromise. It’s tempting to retreat entirely to even less known woman-safe places and woman-safe places and debate these matters at a safe distance from the average fanboy. However, that won’t do anyone any good and it would be wasting an incredible opportunity.
This little statue has gotten us more attention than ever before. This is not like Batwoman, when the attention was on the company. This time the attention is on the complaints. Don’t squander this. Blog about women in comics. Complain about women in comics. Rave about women in comics. Rant about women in comics. Go to your comic book store and start talking about women in comics. Go to a convention and be visible. Ask about a female character at a panel. Ask about the statue at a panel. Write letters. And when you meet resistance, push back.
Don’t squander this. This is pure gold, even if it is covered in toxic waste.

May 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Great post.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
I echo Kevin. Great post.
As a waaaaay aside: I’m mildly curious if Joe Quesada will say anything about this on his Joe Friday’s thing.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
Why would Joe Q talk about this? His part of the company has nothing to do with licensing at all. Wouldn’t it be better to bother the corporate office that actually has something to say about this? That would be liking yelling at a panel with Dan Didio due to the shitty costume Halley Berry wore in Catwoman.
I don’t agree with everything said, but its good to hear that you are asking people to take their frustrations and turn them into positive things. I don’t think stopping the production of a niche product of 400 to 500 statues that have nothing to do with the way stories are told in comics is the place to put it, but I hope more Women feel empowered to go out there and fight harder.
Like do something with Supergirl, please. I’m raging about that shit wherever I go but if I had support from you guys it would make it easier to make a positive change for an important character in a book that more than 500 people will own.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:30 pm
Freedom is on the march!
Great post, and you nailed it. The rock has been turned over.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
Storm the Bastille!
May 18th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
*applause*
This will be referenced copiously in my next ComicMix column. So many of us are writing the same kind of things at the same time, but few do it as well as you, Lisa.
May 18th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
Very nice post. As a man myself, I think the biggest problem is not that most guys online are misogynists, but rather that the men who disagree with them rarely voice their opinion. The implied consent of their silence is far worse than the moronic diatribe of their “friends.”
May 18th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
well said!
*cheers*
May 18th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
That’s nice. Now run along back to the kitchen and fix me a sammich. hee hee
I miss the good old days when all women comic fans had to complain about was the size of Power Girls breasts.
Seriously this is a great chance for anyone disappointed about the way women in comics and the industry are treated to air their opinions and have a good chance of being heard. Stop feeding the trolls and start feeding the starving mass audience that’s craving information.
May 18th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
There’s a line in V For Vendetta that I need to pull out. If I only remembered what it was!
May 18th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
Excellent post
I was pondering these same things yesterday cuz I was getting trolls on my blog criticizing “women” and attacking points I never even made!
I didn’t even criticize the statue (tho I mentioned off hand I didn’t like it)! But I AM a female comics blogger so therefore apparently I should be attacked too!
>.>.;;
It amazes me how much effort ppl were willing to put in to post comments, refresh posts and spam our journals with super long posts that dun even address nething in our blogs. :O
As I said, if it’s silly to get super mad at a statue, isn’t it even siller to get super mad at ppl who are super mad at a statue?
They act like we’re some hive mind, but almost all of the outrage has been independent. The picture started circulating but the reaction (from men too) has been independent. Is it THAT odd that ppl would find this statue disturbing? :\
But the backlash seems to be more of a hive mind reaction more than nething. >:|
May 18th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
I had someone pop into my lj to call me a pretentious bitch. Now, they didn’t explicitly connect that with my comments on MJ, but it’s the first time in three years it’s happened, so I have a suspicion there may be a connection.
May 18th, 2007 at 9:36 pm
I must be fucking up. I haven’t been given a ration of shit in my LJ in almost a year.
Nice work, Lisa (and Betty and Devildoll).
I’d like to point to another answer to the MJ toy (and the Big Barda and the Supergirl), by GirlAMatic.com editor Lisa Jonte’.
http://arcana-j.livejournal.com/281360.html
May 19th, 2007 at 2:31 am
This is bigger than comics. This week Britney Spears thanked her fans for their prayers while she went through difficult times by giving them a topless photo. Without any irony intended at all.
Porn stars are modern rock stars and vice versa. If this is happening all over our culture is it surprising that comic artists and fan boys feel they are being singled out for timidly doing in a niche market what the main stream world is doing everywhere without comment or outrage?
No, I am not saying shut up about it, far from it. I am not excusing the idiots who don’t understand why the statue might bother people, they are still idiots, but we can’t look at comics and their ilk without looking at the society we soak in for the rest of the day.
I don’t favor censorship. I don’t think trying to point out to the major media when they go past the point of good taste is censorship however. There are still lines between Marvel characters from their main line comics and the Howard Stern world and it doesn’t hurt to remind them of that.
May 19th, 2007 at 4:31 am
Every time I read you I’m awed by your talent.
Excellent post.
As usual, you hit the multiple nails concerning the issue on the head.
May 19th, 2007 at 5:05 am
@Ragnell
Thank you for the incredible work you do anyway, and the even more incredible journalism under fire you went through during this.
“Indeed, the level of outrage at the statue seems minuscule in comparison to the level of outrage generated by the outrage at the statue.”
The focus of the “outrage at outrage” bloggers (Can I call them Owies? I shall) is also interesting. The number of the Owies on boards going “Oh, I didn’t know, I’d have ordered if it was going to be this controversial” makes me think that they’re not exactly spiderfans. Or the target market. This statue wasn’t even for them.
Yet the Owies are all hurt that people (spiderman movie fans) who Sideshow was trying to sell a product to - and it’s also telling that the product was on the Spiderman 3 page, and the only non-Venom/Spider/Sandman on the page
And for the “there are bigger issues” market, how about they come down to my blog and tell me I’m wrong about consequentialising an issue.
@Ami - Good point.
The hysterical outrage and “urwastin time on this. ur stupid hjead. irsmartest”
The owies seem to be projecting somewhat.
DS
May 19th, 2007 at 7:14 am
Like Gandhi said: “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
May 19th, 2007 at 7:02 pm
Brilliant post. I hope you’re right and this is some kind of turning point.
May 27th, 2007 at 7:41 pm
Actually, I think what outrages people at “feminist” bloggers on this is that you are so obviously a bunch of prudish liars. Hell, I could even stand the prudery, sickening as it may be, if not for the lying.
May 27th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
Paul — Care to back up that statement with some examples, sweetheart? Or are you as afraid of hard evidence as you are of women?
May 27th, 2007 at 11:09 pm
Well, I expect if I point out a lie, you’ll just respond with more lies, but here goes…
She’s not hand washing the costume, she doesn’t look like she’s hand washing the costume and she never looked like she was hand washing the costume.
Nice ad-hominem by the way. Classy.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:42 pm
Of course, I would love to see the disgusting Marvel/DC duopoly broken and out of business for their crimes against art, and I would be happy if every comic book shop in the country closed down. (DC/Marvel crimes against art? Driving good writers like Alan Moore out of the business, causing decent book to flounder as they dominate shelf-space with their poorly written/poorly drawn titles and keeping comics in the male superhero power fantasy ghetto that they’ve occupied since the fifties. Preventing a Captain Marvel book from ever being published even though he started out more popular than Superman. Oh, and the legitimate sexism. Killing decent female characters for no good reason. Stupid “events” that damage whole continuities in the pursuit of the almighty buck.)
But this? This prude-fest? Disgusting. I’m always reminded of Ma Bates or Carrie’s Mom when I hear prudes. The hatred of women involved in prudery disgusts me (and that some of it is done by women doesn’t make it any less hate filled).
And with that I withdraw from this hatefilled war of words. I have no dog in this fight. Burn Marvel Burn, and may something good rise from your ashes.
Good Night.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:29 am
“She’s not hand washing the costume, she doesn’t look like she’s hand washing the costume and she never looked like she was hand washing the costume.”
That’s not a lie; that’s a matter of interpretation. I certainly (at least initially) viewed the statue as “Mary Jane washing laundry.” It’s unclear whether she’s dipping into a laundry basket or a washtub, and the bottle of detergent on the floor adds to that ambiguity.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Paul — I thought I’d see your Ad-Hominem attack with its own kind and beat you at your own game, however this round you’ve raised me a Hasty Generalization (All the statue complainers hate all sex and cheesecake? PLEASE. Some of these people are Hughes fans), Spotlight (the complaints I saw thought that she was handwashing, therefore ALL the outrage is worried about that aspect and debunking it proves the whole thing to be a pack of lies) a Bad Reason Argument (Even without taking Kevin’s vagueness point into account — How exactly does the small distinction of taking laundry from a basket and handwashing clothing remove the menial stereotyped Donna-Reed-style tasks complaint?), a Straw Man (”Prude-fest”?), an Appeal to Fear (of being dismissed as prudes, nice touch), Misleading Vividness (”Burn Marvel Burn”?) and the ever-popular More Feminist Than Thou (We’re distracting everyone from the REAL sexism?). All too rich for my blood. I’m no match for you at the Fallacy game.