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		<title>By: Shawn Levasseur</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-108421</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Levasseur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 14:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops. accidentally hit &quot;Say it&quot;..

Now here’s a criticism of Muir that would sing better to my ears: That the extra scrutiny of Hillary&#039;s courting of African American voters in the upcoming primaries is largely because she&#039;s white. That means that Muir has opened himself up to the same level of scrutiny as he&#039;s given Hillary.

By the way... I&#039;ve never seen any photos of Muir. Are we just assuming that he&#039;s a white guy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops. accidentally hit &#8220;Say it&#8221;..</p>
<p>Now here’s a criticism of Muir that would sing better to my ears: That the extra scrutiny of Hillary&#8217;s courting of African American voters in the upcoming primaries is largely because she&#8217;s white. That means that Muir has opened himself up to the same level of scrutiny as he&#8217;s given Hillary.</p>
<p>By the way&#8230; I&#8217;ve never seen any photos of Muir. Are we just assuming that he&#8217;s a white guy?</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Levasseur</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-108419</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Levasseur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 14:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s getting missed here is the point Muir was trying to make.

He KNOWS blackface is condescending, his portrayal of Hillary was meant to reflect his criticism about how her campaign has tried to court the black vote recently.

I also fear that the real offense isn&#039;t so much the use of blackface, but that it was Hillary, a Democrat, who was the one in the blackface. If a Bush Administration member was put in blackface in a Doonesbury strip, there&#039;d be less of a stir.

And I hate writing that last paragraph. Because no one will be persuaded by it. Either people will already agree with it, or will just assume that I&#039;m a Republican / Hillary Hater. I hate thinking that there is a double standard for people of differeing political beliefs. I try to deny its existence, but time and again it keeps showing itself to me.

TheTalkingGuy, Muir isn&#039;t using Damon as a mouthpiece. He&#039;s a character, not a sock puppet. He thought he could &quot;get away with it&quot; because he portrays Damon in such a positive light, that people wouldn&#039;t mistake the blackface as a statement about blacks. If anyone has any right to be offended, it&#039;s Hillary.

I guess Muir underestimated how much people who disagree with a political statement will do what they can to tar and feather the messenger, as opposed to actually criticize the point being made.

And on that note of actually talking about relevant political issues...

&quot;I know a guy–who is an African American Minister–and his parrish–votes “together”. They do this because they see it as a necessary evil of getting officials elected that AREN’T biased or more partisan towards their cause.&quot;

I somehow doubt that this tactic is actually bringing out less partisan politics. Does this create elected officials who are more likely to reach across to compromise with opposition? I doubt it makes a difference when it comes to partisanship. In fact, it makes it 

The tendency of blacks to vote straight ticket Democrat is what&#039;s kept them less relevant to general elections. They get taken for granted by the elected Democrats, because they are less likely to go to another candidate.

This is what contributes to candidates like Hillary making a moves that invite criticism like Muir&#039;s. In seeking the D&#039;s nomination in 2008, she&#039;s trying to reach out to a demographic that she hasn&#039;t traditionally had to compete for. This leads to the occasional misstep.

Now here&#039;s a criticism of Muir that would sing better to my ears: That the extra scrutiny of Hillary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s getting missed here is the point Muir was trying to make.</p>
<p>He KNOWS blackface is condescending, his portrayal of Hillary was meant to reflect his criticism about how her campaign has tried to court the black vote recently.</p>
<p>I also fear that the real offense isn&#8217;t so much the use of blackface, but that it was Hillary, a Democrat, who was the one in the blackface. If a Bush Administration member was put in blackface in a Doonesbury strip, there&#8217;d be less of a stir.</p>
<p>And I hate writing that last paragraph. Because no one will be persuaded by it. Either people will already agree with it, or will just assume that I&#8217;m a Republican / Hillary Hater. I hate thinking that there is a double standard for people of differeing political beliefs. I try to deny its existence, but time and again it keeps showing itself to me.</p>
<p>TheTalkingGuy, Muir isn&#8217;t using Damon as a mouthpiece. He&#8217;s a character, not a sock puppet. He thought he could &#8220;get away with it&#8221; because he portrays Damon in such a positive light, that people wouldn&#8217;t mistake the blackface as a statement about blacks. If anyone has any right to be offended, it&#8217;s Hillary.</p>
<p>I guess Muir underestimated how much people who disagree with a political statement will do what they can to tar and feather the messenger, as opposed to actually criticize the point being made.</p>
<p>And on that note of actually talking about relevant political issues&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I know a guy–who is an African American Minister–and his parrish–votes “together”. They do this because they see it as a necessary evil of getting officials elected that AREN’T biased or more partisan towards their cause.&#8221;</p>
<p>I somehow doubt that this tactic is actually bringing out less partisan politics. Does this create elected officials who are more likely to reach across to compromise with opposition? I doubt it makes a difference when it comes to partisanship. In fact, it makes it </p>
<p>The tendency of blacks to vote straight ticket Democrat is what&#8217;s kept them less relevant to general elections. They get taken for granted by the elected Democrats, because they are less likely to go to another candidate.</p>
<p>This is what contributes to candidates like Hillary making a moves that invite criticism like Muir&#8217;s. In seeking the D&#8217;s nomination in 2008, she&#8217;s trying to reach out to a demographic that she hasn&#8217;t traditionally had to compete for. This leads to the occasional misstep.</p>
<p>Now here&#8217;s a criticism of Muir that would sing better to my ears: That the extra scrutiny of Hillary</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ekstrom</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-108132</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ekstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 21:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GuyLeWhatever--I know a guy--who is an African American Minister--and his parrish--votes &quot;together&quot;.  They do this because they see it as a necessary evil of getting officials elected that AREN&#039;T biased or more partisan towards their cause.

So yeah, I made that generalization because I&#039;m from the buckle of the bible belt and I&#039;ve seen it in action.  If you think that people vote freely of the opinion of others than I think you may have some drugs I&#039;d like you to share with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GuyLeWhatever&#8211;I know a guy&#8211;who is an African American Minister&#8211;and his parrish&#8211;votes &#8220;together&#8221;.  They do this because they see it as a necessary evil of getting officials elected that AREN&#8217;T biased or more partisan towards their cause.</p>
<p>So yeah, I made that generalization because I&#8217;m from the buckle of the bible belt and I&#8217;ve seen it in action.  If you think that people vote freely of the opinion of others than I think you may have some drugs I&#8217;d like you to share with me.</p>
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		<title>By: TheTalkingGuy</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-108087</link>
		<dc:creator>TheTalkingGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 20:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost wonder if Muir thought he could get away with this thing precisely because of his using Damon as a mouthpiece.</description>
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		<title>By: TheTalkingGuy</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-108083</link>
		<dc:creator>TheTalkingGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 20:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are obviously black Republicans who may believe very simarly to Muir.  However, he is not one of them.  And it&#039;s weird and a little disturbing that to give HIS arguments more merit, he&#039;s channeling them through a black character to air his views.  If this is cool, why not create a gay character to bash gay marraige?  It&#039;s adding &quot;credibility&quot; to an argument that isn&#039;t there.

It might be different if Damon was a developed character and not a sockpuppet for Muir&#039;s own views.  As is...it is kind of....sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are obviously black Republicans who may believe very simarly to Muir.  However, he is not one of them.  And it&#8217;s weird and a little disturbing that to give HIS arguments more merit, he&#8217;s channeling them through a black character to air his views.  If this is cool, why not create a gay character to bash gay marraige?  It&#8217;s adding &#8220;credibility&#8221; to an argument that isn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>It might be different if Damon was a developed character and not a sockpuppet for Muir&#8217;s own views.  As is&#8230;it is kind of&#8230;.sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Live Free or Dan Coyle</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107927</link>
		<dc:creator>Live Free or Dan Coyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 14:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As opposed to the tactic of inventing a black conservative mouthpiece to speak about how bad Democrats treat black people?&quot;

Well... I do know a black Republican who says a lot of the same things Damon does, on a regular basis. He claims not to be a fan of Dubya, but he&#039;s awfully quick to carry water for his fellow political ideologues. 

Of course, he&#039;s not nearly as cruel or withering as Damon, which has always been the weird part of the strip- why is he even with a woman he considers an idiot, and why does she put up with him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As opposed to the tactic of inventing a black conservative mouthpiece to speak about how bad Democrats treat black people?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well&#8230; I do know a black Republican who says a lot of the same things Damon does, on a regular basis. He claims not to be a fan of Dubya, but he&#8217;s awfully quick to carry water for his fellow political ideologues. </p>
<p>Of course, he&#8217;s not nearly as cruel or withering as Damon, which has always been the weird part of the strip- why is he even with a woman he considers an idiot, and why does she put up with him?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107835</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 09:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but it&#039;s one thing to accuse Muir of discourtesy, and quite another to accuse him of racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but it&#8217;s one thing to accuse Muir of discourtesy, and quite another to accuse him of racism.</p>
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		<title>By: david brothers</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107807</link>
		<dc:creator>david brothers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 08:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that everyone who is offended or doesn&#039;t like this thing feels that way because they&#039;re self-absorbed or homebodies.

Life may not be for the timid, and I can&#039;t say that I agree with such a pessimistic idea, but that doesn&#039;t mean that common courtesy should die a bloody death in an alley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that everyone who is offended or doesn&#8217;t like this thing feels that way because they&#8217;re self-absorbed or homebodies.</p>
<p>Life may not be for the timid, and I can&#8217;t say that I agree with such a pessimistic idea, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that common courtesy should die a bloody death in an alley.</p>
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		<title>By: del gorky</title>
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		<dc:creator>del gorky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 05:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this strip does it&#039;s job well and expresses it&#039;s viewpoint sharply and effectively.  It&#039;s also core political speech and clearly an exercise of first amendment rights.

I&#039;m tired of hearing things are &quot;over the top&quot; or &quot;wounding&quot; or &quot;offensive&quot; or &quot;insensitive&quot;.  Life is not for the timid and certainly not political life.  We are not small children that must or should be shielded.  If you really are horribly adversely affected by this or &quot;wounded&quot;, get out of the house more often and quit being so self-absorbed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this strip does it&#8217;s job well and expresses it&#8217;s viewpoint sharply and effectively.  It&#8217;s also core political speech and clearly an exercise of first amendment rights.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tired of hearing things are &#8220;over the top&#8221; or &#8220;wounding&#8221; or &#8220;offensive&#8221; or &#8220;insensitive&#8221;.  Life is not for the timid and certainly not political life.  We are not small children that must or should be shielded.  If you really are horribly adversely affected by this or &#8220;wounded&#8221;, get out of the house more often and quit being so self-absorbed.</p>
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		<title>By: TheTalkingGuy</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107760</link>
		<dc:creator>TheTalkingGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As opposed to the tactic of inventing a black conservative mouthpiece to speak about how bad Democrats treat black people?  

What Muir has been doing has always struck me as weird...like he has comments to make about the black community, but couches them by having them come out of the mouth of an African American disguise for himself.  The fact that he is now attacking Hillary for &quot;pandering&quot; to black people is hilarious to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As opposed to the tactic of inventing a black conservative mouthpiece to speak about how bad Democrats treat black people?  </p>
<p>What Muir has been doing has always struck me as weird&#8230;like he has comments to make about the black community, but couches them by having them come out of the mouth of an African American disguise for himself.  The fact that he is now attacking Hillary for &#8220;pandering&#8221; to black people is hilarious to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Master of the Flying Guillotine</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107693</link>
		<dc:creator>Master of the Flying Guillotine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 00:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of context, I can see how people would be offended. In context, the use of black face illustrates a point; namely that Clinton and democrats (and really, politicians in general) are trying to court black voters in an inept, disingenous way that is as awkward as it is transparent. Agree with it or not, the punchline&#039;s there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of context, I can see how people would be offended. In context, the use of black face illustrates a point; namely that Clinton and democrats (and really, politicians in general) are trying to court black voters in an inept, disingenous way that is as awkward as it is transparent. Agree with it or not, the punchline&#8217;s there.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107684</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I first heard of this strip over at the blog, Glyphs.

If I had seen the last panel alone, I would have been completely offended as a Black man.  However, having read the entire strip, it did get more of a chuckle than I expected.

I think Muir&#039;s execution is clueless and clumsy regarding the last panel.  (David Brothers&#039; satire is sharper and funnier.) But I agree with Muir that Clinton and way too many Democrats view Black people as a monolithic group, which is far from the truth, and make fools of themselves as a result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first heard of this strip over at the blog, Glyphs.</p>
<p>If I had seen the last panel alone, I would have been completely offended as a Black man.  However, having read the entire strip, it did get more of a chuckle than I expected.</p>
<p>I think Muir&#8217;s execution is clueless and clumsy regarding the last panel.  (David Brothers&#8217; satire is sharper and funnier.) But I agree with Muir that Clinton and way too many Democrats view Black people as a monolithic group, which is far from the truth, and make fools of themselves as a result.</p>
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		<title>By: Elayne Riggs</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107672</link>
		<dc:creator>Elayne Riggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course using blackface is over the top, whether it&#039;s done by a radical reactionary cartoonist or a liberal blogger. Hasn&#039;t anyone &lt;a href=&quot;http://elayneriggs.blogspot.com/2006/10/blogosphere-blackface-um-billmon-i.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;read E. Bog Johnson&lt;/a&gt; on this?  I&#039;m surprised this is even in question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course using blackface is over the top, whether it&#8217;s done by a radical reactionary cartoonist or a liberal blogger. Hasn&#8217;t anyone <a href="http://elayneriggs.blogspot.com/2006/10/blogosphere-blackface-um-billmon-i.html" rel="nofollow">read E. Bog Johnson</a> on this?  I&#8217;m surprised this is even in question.</p>
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		<title>By: TheTalkingGuy</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107669</link>
		<dc:creator>TheTalkingGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is funniest about this is the white cartoonist whining about this in his strip, the one where he created a black conservative sockpuppet to air his viewpoints about how Democrats exploit black people. 

I don&#039;t think he sees the problem there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is funniest about this is the white cartoonist whining about this in his strip, the one where he created a black conservative sockpuppet to air his viewpoints about how Democrats exploit black people. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he sees the problem there.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Tate</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107658</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Tate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a really hard time understanding how anyone could feel that this strip did not cross the line.  How is portraying someone (anyone!) in blackface *not* offensive??!! 

Imagine if people could just learn to empathize and act like intelligent, mature, civilized human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a really hard time understanding how anyone could feel that this strip did not cross the line.  How is portraying someone (anyone!) in blackface *not* offensive??!! </p>
<p>Imagine if people could just learn to empathize and act like intelligent, mature, civilized human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Waters</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107656</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While I’m willing to give Muir the benefit of the doubt, I think the image of a someone in blackface, never mind a U.S. Senator campaigning for the presidency, is too loaded and wounding an issue to use to make a subtle political point in a comic strip.&quot;

To be fair, since when was political cartooning ever used to make SUBTLE points?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While I’m willing to give Muir the benefit of the doubt, I think the image of a someone in blackface, never mind a U.S. Senator campaigning for the presidency, is too loaded and wounding an issue to use to make a subtle political point in a comic strip.&#8221;</p>
<p>To be fair, since when was political cartooning ever used to make SUBTLE points?</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Levasseur</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107631</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Levasseur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muir&#039;s point about Hillary&#039;s goofball accent she used once on the trail was that she was culturally tone-deaf. (Even in a region where she was a Governor&#039;s wife) This an exaggeration to make that point.

But Muir does walk a tightrope here, but in context it&#039;s not as bad as the panel by itself.

I think just showing the final panel from the strip here does Muir a great injustice. The full context helps, especially when the character who&#039;s talking critically of Hillary in the prior two panels is one of the main characters of the strip, Damon, who&#039;s African American, and Republican.

Much of angrier critique stems from the fact that Muir presents a mostly right of center point of view. Those politically opposed will jump on anything possible to tar and feather opponents. 

The less angry critique stems from the treating some words and imagery as &quot;third rails&quot; that are supposedly so taboo that context becomes irrelevant. A philosophy that I don&#039;t subscribe to. 

I&#039;m tempted to cite individuals on the left who&#039;ve used racist imagery to belittle opponents, with little to no backlash, but I&#039;d think it&#039;s more of evasion of the actual issue at hand by saying &quot;But he got away with it!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muir&#8217;s point about Hillary&#8217;s goofball accent she used once on the trail was that she was culturally tone-deaf. (Even in a region where she was a Governor&#8217;s wife) This an exaggeration to make that point.</p>
<p>But Muir does walk a tightrope here, but in context it&#8217;s not as bad as the panel by itself.</p>
<p>I think just showing the final panel from the strip here does Muir a great injustice. The full context helps, especially when the character who&#8217;s talking critically of Hillary in the prior two panels is one of the main characters of the strip, Damon, who&#8217;s African American, and Republican.</p>
<p>Much of angrier critique stems from the fact that Muir presents a mostly right of center point of view. Those politically opposed will jump on anything possible to tar and feather opponents. </p>
<p>The less angry critique stems from the treating some words and imagery as &#8220;third rails&#8221; that are supposedly so taboo that context becomes irrelevant. A philosophy that I don&#8217;t subscribe to. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m tempted to cite individuals on the left who&#8217;ve used racist imagery to belittle opponents, with little to no backlash, but I&#8217;d think it&#8217;s more of evasion of the actual issue at hand by saying &#8220;But he got away with it!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Skyhawk</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107627</link>
		<dc:creator>Skyhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Satire isn’t always pretty, and it shouldn’t be. Still, I’d vote for a pandering Democrat than a disingenious Republican any day.&quot;

Agreed, I&#039;m an african-american male, and was put off by the cartoon. If there was a cartoon of Condi in white-face I&#039;d probably take the a slightly opposite position &quot;I’d vote for a disingenious Democrat than a pandering Republican any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Satire isn’t always pretty, and it shouldn’t be. Still, I’d vote for a pandering Democrat than a disingenious Republican any day.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed, I&#8217;m an african-american male, and was put off by the cartoon. If there was a cartoon of Condi in white-face I&#8217;d probably take the a slightly opposite position &#8220;I’d vote for a disingenious Democrat than a pandering Republican any day.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Fanboy</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107622</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Fanboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I am not familiar with the artist&#039;s work, I wonder what all of those calling for the image to go away felt the same way with the hubub a year or so ago about the representation of Mohammed in some newspapers. Satire isn&#039;t always pretty, and it shouldn&#039;t be.  Still, I&#039;d vote for a pandering Democrat than a disingeniou Republican any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I am not familiar with the artist&#8217;s work, I wonder what all of those calling for the image to go away felt the same way with the hubub a year or so ago about the representation of Mohammed in some newspapers. Satire isn&#8217;t always pretty, and it shouldn&#8217;t be.  Still, I&#8217;d vote for a pandering Democrat than a disingeniou Republican any day.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Mautner</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107620</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Mautner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calvin -- It&#039;s not that I think Hillary is somehow exempt from satire. Far from it. In fact, pile it on. Rather, it&#039;s I think putting her in blackface only obfuscates the point he was trying to make. It&#039;s too emotionally charged an image to be effective and carries a lot of baggage that I&#039;m sure Muir didn&#039;t want. David Brothers&#039; suggestion is a lot more effective and funnier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calvin &#8212; It&#8217;s not that I think Hillary is somehow exempt from satire. Far from it. In fact, pile it on. Rather, it&#8217;s I think putting her in blackface only obfuscates the point he was trying to make. It&#8217;s too emotionally charged an image to be effective and carries a lot of baggage that I&#8217;m sure Muir didn&#8217;t want. David Brothers&#8217; suggestion is a lot more effective and funnier.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107614</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve: &quot;Of course, she is going to pander for the African American vote–because they’re voice that tends to vote in unison.&quot;

Um, no.  As much as people like to portray &quot;the black vote&quot; as some monolithic, lemming-like entity, it&#039;s simply not the case.  That&#039;s an ignorant stereotype built off of the traditionally strong support Democrats receive thanks to Republicans generally not courting them at all.  It also ignores the larger percentage of blacks (and Americans, in general) who don&#039;t bother to vote at all.

As for the cartoon, I think it works just fine as a hard-edged satirical bit, and to be honest, I kind of agree with the sentiment behind it as Clinton has always come off as willing to say whatever it takes to get elected. Not unlike her husband, but with nowhere near his flair or charisma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve: &#8220;Of course, she is going to pander for the African American vote–because they’re voice that tends to vote in unison.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, no.  As much as people like to portray &#8220;the black vote&#8221; as some monolithic, lemming-like entity, it&#8217;s simply not the case.  That&#8217;s an ignorant stereotype built off of the traditionally strong support Democrats receive thanks to Republicans generally not courting them at all.  It also ignores the larger percentage of blacks (and Americans, in general) who don&#8217;t bother to vote at all.</p>
<p>As for the cartoon, I think it works just fine as a hard-edged satirical bit, and to be honest, I kind of agree with the sentiment behind it as Clinton has always come off as willing to say whatever it takes to get elected. Not unlike her husband, but with nowhere near his flair or charisma.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake W</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107603</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All of this, of course, is beside the point that Day By Day on its best day is a desperately unfunny strip.&quot;

Eh, doesn&#039;t seem as bad as State of the Union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All of this, of course, is beside the point that Day By Day on its best day is a desperately unfunny strip.&#8221;</p>
<p>Eh, doesn&#8217;t seem as bad as State of the Union.</p>
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		<title>By: Matter-Eater Lad</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107585</link>
		<dc:creator>Matter-Eater Lad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is no more offensive than when cartoonists drew Condoleeza Rice as a complete stereotype, with the space between her teeth, the “nappy” hair, and seemingly mammy characteristics.&quot;

Do you have an example of this?  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen a cartoon that caricatured Rice in the latter two ways; as for the space between her teeth, that&#039;s precisely the sort of detail that a caricaturist lives for, and I&#039;m not familiar with a stereotype of African Americans having a gap between their front teeth.

All of this, of course, is beside the point that Day By Day on its best day is a desperately unfunny strip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is no more offensive than when cartoonists drew Condoleeza Rice as a complete stereotype, with the space between her teeth, the “nappy” hair, and seemingly mammy characteristics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you have an example of this?  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen a cartoon that caricatured Rice in the latter two ways; as for the space between her teeth, that&#8217;s precisely the sort of detail that a caricaturist lives for, and I&#8217;m not familiar with a stereotype of African Americans having a gap between their front teeth.</p>
<p>All of this, of course, is beside the point that Day By Day on its best day is a desperately unfunny strip.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin Reid</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107582</link>
		<dc:creator>Calvin Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think its so bad. Its kinda funny. But let&#039;s face it, when you&#039;re using these kind of charged representations, many people, black and white, will not think its very funny. But come on, Hillary is running for president. She&#039;s an open target for satire, as she should be. And I&#039;ve heard her attempts to, let say &quot;relate,&quot; to black voters, and its pretty lame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think its so bad. Its kinda funny. But let&#8217;s face it, when you&#8217;re using these kind of charged representations, many people, black and white, will not think its very funny. But come on, Hillary is running for president. She&#8217;s an open target for satire, as she should be. And I&#8217;ve heard her attempts to, let say &#8220;relate,&#8221; to black voters, and its pretty lame.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken B.</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107580</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is no more offensive than when cartoonists drew Condoleeza Rice as a complete stereotype, with the space between her teeth, the &quot;nappy&quot; hair, and seemingly mammy characteristics.

There really is a damn double standard in dealing with both sides of the political spectrum and it gets annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is no more offensive than when cartoonists drew Condoleeza Rice as a complete stereotype, with the space between her teeth, the &#8220;nappy&#8221; hair, and seemingly mammy characteristics.</p>
<p>There really is a damn double standard in dealing with both sides of the political spectrum and it gets annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Cowstar</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107577</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Cowstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda funny.</description>
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		<title>By: Miss de Point</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107575</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss de Point</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is this pandering?  Panders have black and white faces, not just black ones.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107574</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’d like someone to explain how a woman dressing up in blackface is supposed to curry the black vote?&quot;

But that&#039;s precisely Muir&#039;s point - especially if you read the panel in context.  He&#039;s mocking her for (as he sees it) chasing black voters in such an inept way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’d like someone to explain how a woman dressing up in blackface is supposed to curry the black vote?&#8221;</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s precisely Muir&#8217;s point &#8211; especially if you read the panel in context.  He&#8217;s mocking her for (as he sees it) chasing black voters in such an inept way.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107573</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*shrug* You should have posted the preceeding two panels. I think the most offensive thing is that the whole cartoon is a bit of a amateur-looking mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*shrug* You should have posted the preceeding two panels. I think the most offensive thing is that the whole cartoon is a bit of a amateur-looking mess.</p>
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		<title>By: david brothers</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/30/did-this-comic-strip-cross-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-107565</link>
		<dc:creator>david brothers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like someone to explain how a woman dressing up in blackface is supposed to curry the black vote?

I don&#039;t think the artist realized that blackface was done by white people to emulate and insult blacks. This wouldn&#039;t be pandering at all, it&#039;d be insulting flat-out. So, there&#039;s a logic problem right there at the start.

Jake made a good point when he mentions that inappropriate use of slang would&#039;ve made for a much better and funnier punchline.

&quot;Senator, what are your plans for 2008?&quot;

&quot;To lower taxes. *pause* Yo.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like someone to explain how a woman dressing up in blackface is supposed to curry the black vote?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the artist realized that blackface was done by white people to emulate and insult blacks. This wouldn&#8217;t be pandering at all, it&#8217;d be insulting flat-out. So, there&#8217;s a logic problem right there at the start.</p>
<p>Jake made a good point when he mentions that inappropriate use of slang would&#8217;ve made for a much better and funnier punchline.</p>
<p>&#8220;Senator, what are your plans for 2008?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;To lower taxes. *pause* Yo.&#8221;</p>
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