Comments on: Point/Counterpoint in the Blogosphere… http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Wed, 22 May 2013 14:52:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Buzz Girl http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/comment-page-1/#comment-109198 Buzz Girl Fri, 04 May 2007 10:56:54 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/#comment-109198 Kongon wrote: "That’s Conan, although he mostly just wears a loin cloth, and you never hear any male fans complaining about his attire." That's because Conan is the exception, not the rule. If 95% of superheroes dressed like Conan, male fans might have something to say about it... Kongon wrote: “That’s Conan, although he mostly just wears a loin cloth, and you never hear any male fans complaining about his attire.”

That’s because Conan is the exception, not the rule. If 95% of superheroes dressed like Conan, male fans might have something to say about it…

]]> By: Tintin http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/comment-page-1/#comment-103067 Tintin Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:40:14 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/#comment-103067 well, okay, his drawings of males are a bit harder to find, but I've got a small sampling of links here, http://tinpan.livejournal.com/73093.html (although I'm not sure if he's an artist for Cannon Hawke or just the designer). His men are nowhere near as sexualized as his women, but Turner's depictions of both genders contain both sensual flair and bombast. That's what gets him work. well, okay, his drawings of males are a bit harder to find, but I’ve got a small sampling of links here, http://tinpan.livejournal.com/73093.html
(although I’m not sure if he’s an artist for Cannon Hawke or just the designer). His men are nowhere near as sexualized as his women, but Turner’s depictions of both genders contain both sensual flair and bombast. That’s what gets him work.

]]> By: Tintin http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/comment-page-1/#comment-103049 Tintin Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:53:24 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/#comment-103049 I'm feeling bad for Michael Turner! Everybody's ragging on how offensive his women are or how inaccurate his anatomy. I'm not gonna get into that, but to be fair, he sometimes draws some lovely men. That guy from Darkness with the long black hair? Or some of his Fathom characters? They're pretty attractive. Somebody put him on an Apollo/Midnighter comic- that should help improve his status for us fangirls. I’m feeling bad for Michael Turner! Everybody’s ragging on how offensive his women are or how inaccurate his anatomy. I’m not gonna get into that, but to be fair, he sometimes draws some lovely men. That guy from Darkness with the long black hair? Or some of his Fathom characters? They’re pretty attractive. Somebody put him on an Apollo/Midnighter comic- that should help improve his status for us fangirls.

]]> By: Kon-gone http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/comment-page-1/#comment-102539 Kon-gone Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:10:40 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/#comment-102539 I liked this comment... "If male characters in American comic books were drawn with female readers in mind, there'd be much fewer masks, longer hair, no shirts, lower-riding pants, considerably more junk in the front, and poses that emphasize all these features enticingly and at random, inopportune moments." That's Conan, although he mostly just wears a loin cloth, and you never hear any male fans complaining about his attire. I liked this comment…
“If male characters in American comic books were drawn with female readers in mind, there’d be much fewer masks, longer hair, no shirts, lower-riding pants, considerably more junk in the front, and poses that emphasize all these features enticingly and at random, inopportune moments.”
That’s Conan, although he mostly just wears a loin cloth, and you never hear any male fans complaining about his attire.

]]> By: plok http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/comment-page-1/#comment-102152 plok Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:01:16 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/#comment-102152 <i>"...unrealistic depictions of the female (and male) body are part of the whole point of superheroes in the first place."</i> Sorry, <b>disagree</b>. This makes it sound like the point of superheroes is to create an escapist fantasy that is specifically and primarily about body-image. And that's a hell of a stretch. “…unrealistic depictions of the female (and male) body are part of the whole point of superheroes in the first place.”

Sorry, disagree. This makes it sound like the point of superheroes is to create an escapist fantasy that is specifically and primarily about body-image. And that’s a hell of a stretch.

]]> By: Kirk Boxleitner, a.k.a. K-Box http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/comment-page-1/#comment-102128 Kirk Boxleitner, a.k.a. K-Box Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:31:15 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/#comment-102128 As has been pointed out already, unrealistic depictions of the female (and male) body are part of the whole point of superheroes in the first place. However, I'd still consider Hughes infinitely superior to Turner, and at the top of my list for reasons why would be the fact that Hughes' women, while often possessing highly unlikely physical proportions, at least seem to be able to exist in <i>three-dimensional space</i>. By contrast, Turner makes the same fatal mistake as Liefeld, which is that their anatomies are literally so <i>impossibly</i> contorted that they could only be two-dimensional, in the same way as M.C. Escher illustrations. It also bears mentioning that Hughes' women actually look like they enjoy healthy meals, whereas Turner and Liefeld's women are so emaciated that they appear both Cubist and insect-like. There's nothing "wrong," or even unrealistic, about a drawing of a gal with big boobs, as long as the rest of her body is proportioned to match. As has been pointed out already, unrealistic depictions of the female (and male) body are part of the whole point of superheroes in the first place. However, I’d still consider Hughes infinitely superior to Turner, and at the top of my list for reasons why would be the fact that Hughes’ women, while often possessing highly unlikely physical proportions, at least seem to be able to exist in three-dimensional space. By contrast, Turner makes the same fatal mistake as Liefeld, which is that their anatomies are literally so impossibly contorted that they could only be two-dimensional, in the same way as M.C. Escher illustrations.

It also bears mentioning that Hughes’ women actually look like they enjoy healthy meals, whereas Turner and Liefeld’s women are so emaciated that they appear both Cubist and insect-like. There’s nothing “wrong,” or even unrealistic, about a drawing of a gal with big boobs, as long as the rest of her body is proportioned to match.

]]> By: Tuckenie (Chris Tucker) http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/comment-page-1/#comment-102074 Tuckenie (Chris Tucker) Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:18:50 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/#comment-102074 See the thing that strikes me about both images is that they're both butt ugly. Why isn't the issue that Turner get's paid a ton of money for his crappy artwork? The man is overrated and the modern Rob Liefeld. See the thing that strikes me about both images is that they’re both butt ugly. Why isn’t the issue that Turner get’s paid a ton of money for his crappy artwork? The man is overrated and the modern Rob Liefeld.

]]> By: Kevin Johns http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/comment-page-1/#comment-102008 Kevin Johns Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:42:18 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/#comment-102008 I just feel sorry for Darwyne Cook that he is being mentioned in the same breath as Turner, Cho and Hughes. I just feel sorry for Darwyne Cook that he is being mentioned in the same breath as Turner, Cho and Hughes.

]]> By: Tom Foss http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/comment-page-1/#comment-102004 Tom Foss Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:34:45 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/#comment-102004 I agree with Marionette. Power Girl, both in the Hughes picture in question and in comics in general, is drawn as a large woman all around. Broad-shouldered, big-muscled, <i>and</i> large-breasted. There are <i>oodles</i> of real women like that who are not, in fact, porn stars. I agree with Marionette. Power Girl, both in the Hughes picture in question and in comics in general, is drawn as a large woman all around. Broad-shouldered, big-muscled, and large-breasted. There are oodles of real women like that who are not, in fact, porn stars.

]]> By: Marionette http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/comment-page-1/#comment-101968 Marionette Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:27:51 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/#comment-101968 So is every woman with a large cup size a porn star? I don't think so. It is demeaning and offensive to large-breasted women to imply that any character with larger than average breasts is some kind of professional sex object. If lies_d sees every well endowed woman in this way then it is not Power Girl who has the problem. As for Turner, he needs to go take some life drawing classes and find out what women actually look like. So is every woman with a large cup size a porn star? I don’t think so. It is demeaning and offensive to large-breasted women to imply that any character with larger than average breasts is some kind of professional sex object. If lies_d sees every well endowed woman in this way then it is not Power Girl who has the problem.

As for Turner, he needs to go take some life drawing classes and find out what women actually look like.

]]> By: Juisarian http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/comment-page-1/#comment-101964 Juisarian Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:13:52 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/#comment-101964 BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA! is, I think, the only logical reaction to someone who considers Michael Turner's cover "sexy". BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA! is, I think, the only logical reaction to someone who considers Michael Turner’s cover “sexy”.

]]> By: plok http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/comment-page-1/#comment-101936 plok Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:05:43 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/#comment-101936 I feel compelled to point out that it has never, EVER occurred to me to wish I looked like Batman or Superman...I am utterly non-envious of their "idealized bodies", and for some reason I imagine I'm in with the majority, there. To be able to fly...to have a really cool car and a butler...sure. But honestly, that really is as far as it goes. Gee, and isn't that enough? The rest of it, I don't feel disposed to argue with. Just that one thought. I feel compelled to point out that it has never, EVER occurred to me to wish I looked like Batman or Superman…I am utterly non-envious of their “idealized bodies”, and for some reason I imagine I’m in with the majority, there. To be able to fly…to have a really cool car and a butler…sure. But honestly, that really is as far as it goes.

Gee, and isn’t that enough?

The rest of it, I don’t feel disposed to argue with. Just that one thought.

]]> By: Rob http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/comment-page-1/#comment-101930 Rob Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:54:05 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/04/13/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-36/#comment-101930 I think... that psychological projection is a powerful thing. And whatever these folks see in the exact same picture has a lot more to do with them than the pic. Or Michael Turner. Also, apparently, nobody wants to look like a porn star or likes the way porn stars look. Except all the porn stars who look that way. Or all the guys who watch porn. I think… that psychological projection is a powerful thing. And whatever these folks see in the exact same picture has a lot more to do with them than the pic. Or Michael Turner.

Also, apparently, nobody wants to look like a porn star or likes the way porn stars look. Except all the porn stars who look that way. Or all the guys who watch porn.

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