Power Girl’s always a source of conversation in the blogosphere. In this case, an upcoming JLA cover by Michael Turner is the catalyst, prompting comparisons with other cheesecake artist Adam Hughes.
Point:
At feminist_fandom, lj-er lies_d explains her issues with images of Power Girl as drawn by Michael Turner and Adam Hughes.
Excerpt:
One of the special magic of reading comics (reading books, watching movies), is that for a little while you can experience the world of the story through the characters that you see – for a while, you inhabit those characters. Even if you don’t identify with them per se, you can still ‘be’ them. They’re strong, intelligent, honourable, attractive, and even if they have flaws they’re somehow heroic ones. And yes, they have perfect, idealized bodies, even the male characters.It’s be easy for guys to want to be Superman or Batman – their kind of idealized bodies are the stuff of action movies. All women want perfect bodies too, but when I see Power Girl, you know what I see? A PORN STAR. Only porn stars have bodies like that. Yes, the male ideal can be harmful and/or impossible to attain, but the kind of ‘ideal’ in the above pictures is demeaning and ridiculous, and it clearly only exists for men to fetishize.
Counterpoint:
At Occasional Superheroine, Video Store Girl looks at the same Turner drawing and a different Hughes drawing and explains the different reactions she has to them.
Excerpt:
I find Adam Hughes’s covers to be, for the most part, sexy but not sexist. Sexy but not sexist means that your subject has some glimmer of humanity in her and is not just a blow-up doll. Sexy but not sexist means that you can see that the artist has a genuine love and understanding for the subject. Sexy but not sexist encompasses, at least for me, not only Hughes but the work of Rags Morales, Frank Cho, Darwyn Cooke, Alex Toth, Will Eisner, and many more.
What do you think?
April 13th, 2007 at 5:54 am
I think… that psychological projection is a powerful thing. And whatever these folks see in the exact same picture has a lot more to do with them than the pic. Or Michael Turner.
Also, apparently, nobody wants to look like a porn star or likes the way porn stars look. Except all the porn stars who look that way. Or all the guys who watch porn.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:05 am
I feel compelled to point out that it has never, EVER occurred to me to wish I looked like Batman or Superman…I am utterly non-envious of their “idealized bodies”, and for some reason I imagine I’m in with the majority, there. To be able to fly…to have a really cool car and a butler…sure. But honestly, that really is as far as it goes.
Gee, and isn’t that enough?
The rest of it, I don’t feel disposed to argue with. Just that one thought.
April 13th, 2007 at 9:13 am
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA! is, I think, the only logical reaction to someone who considers Michael Turner’s cover “sexy”.
April 13th, 2007 at 9:27 am
So is every woman with a large cup size a porn star? I don’t think so. It is demeaning and offensive to large-breasted women to imply that any character with larger than average breasts is some kind of professional sex object. If lies_d sees every well endowed woman in this way then it is not Power Girl who has the problem.
As for Turner, he needs to go take some life drawing classes and find out what women actually look like.
April 13th, 2007 at 10:34 am
I agree with Marionette. Power Girl, both in the Hughes picture in question and in comics in general, is drawn as a large woman all around. Broad-shouldered, big-muscled, and large-breasted. There are oodles of real women like that who are not, in fact, porn stars.
April 13th, 2007 at 10:42 am
I just feel sorry for Darwyne Cook that he is being mentioned in the same breath as Turner, Cho and Hughes.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
See the thing that strikes me about both images is that they’re both butt ugly. Why isn’t the issue that Turner get’s paid a ton of money for his crappy artwork? The man is overrated and the modern Rob Liefeld.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
As has been pointed out already, unrealistic depictions of the female (and male) body are part of the whole point of superheroes in the first place. However, I’d still consider Hughes infinitely superior to Turner, and at the top of my list for reasons why would be the fact that Hughes’ women, while often possessing highly unlikely physical proportions, at least seem to be able to exist in three-dimensional space. By contrast, Turner makes the same fatal mistake as Liefeld, which is that their anatomies are literally so impossibly contorted that they could only be two-dimensional, in the same way as M.C. Escher illustrations.
It also bears mentioning that Hughes’ women actually look like they enjoy healthy meals, whereas Turner and Liefeld’s women are so emaciated that they appear both Cubist and insect-like. There’s nothing “wrong,” or even unrealistic, about a drawing of a gal with big boobs, as long as the rest of her body is proportioned to match.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
“…unrealistic depictions of the female (and male) body are part of the whole point of superheroes in the first place.”
Sorry, disagree. This makes it sound like the point of superheroes is to create an escapist fantasy that is specifically and primarily about body-image. And that’s a hell of a stretch.
April 14th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
I liked this comment…
“If male characters in American comic books were drawn with female readers in mind, there’d be much fewer masks, longer hair, no shirts, lower-riding pants, considerably more junk in the front, and poses that emphasize all these features enticingly and at random, inopportune moments.”
That’s Conan, although he mostly just wears a loin cloth, and you never hear any male fans complaining about his attire.
April 16th, 2007 at 8:53 am
I’m feeling bad for Michael Turner! Everybody’s ragging on how offensive his women are or how inaccurate his anatomy. I’m not gonna get into that, but to be fair, he sometimes draws some lovely men. That guy from Darkness with the long black hair? Or some of his Fathom characters? They’re pretty attractive. Somebody put him on an Apollo/Midnighter comic- that should help improve his status for us fangirls.
April 16th, 2007 at 9:40 am
well, okay, his drawings of males are a bit harder to find, but I’ve got a small sampling of links here, http://tinpan.livejournal.com/73093.html
(although I’m not sure if he’s an artist for Cannon Hawke or just the designer). His men are nowhere near as sexualized as his women, but Turner’s depictions of both genders contain both sensual flair and bombast. That’s what gets him work.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:56 am
Kongon wrote: “That’s Conan, although he mostly just wears a loin cloth, and you never hear any male fans complaining about his attire.”
That’s because Conan is the exception, not the rule. If 95% of superheroes dressed like Conan, male fans might have something to say about it…