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Check the Prophetic Sections of the Pages

April 4th, 2007
Author Shane Bailey

There have been so many shocks and surprises and the internet just can’t be broken anymore. It’s become tougher, like when you tear a phone book into pieces and eventually it just won’t rip anymore. How do you tell who’s who and what’s what in this new world out there? Don’t worry. I’m here to comfort and guide. Welcome to the world outside B@N. Welcome to Meanwhile….

Another week, more links, and another lyric. What is it from and which link or links does it relate to?

Your meme for the week.

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It seems April Fools day was this week. That made my job a bit harder. Thanks guys. I think Polite Scott’s was my favorite of the bunch.

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Plok and Erin are working on Heliumpunk.

More detail on Heliumpunk can be found here. Thanks Erin!

I also designed Erin’s new logo. What do you think of it?

Because the byproduct of nuclear fusion is helium, and right now helium is freakin’ expensive…but if helium was cheap, you could do all kinds of things with it, couldn’t you? God only knows what kind of cool-ass zeppelins we could cook up using 21st century materials…faster than ships! Cheaper than planes! The implications for air freight alone simply boggle the mind.

I could see a comic book universe based on that.

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Kevin has been busy this week, what with launching lawyerbear.org and all. He’s the bear that’s a lawyer in case you didn’t know.

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I enjoyed Facedown in the Gutters’ version of Civil War much better than Marvel’s.

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Digital Femme thinks someone needs to learn to draw Misty Knight’s hair.

Editor: Y’know, what? Misty Knight is just too damn fine. We need to ugly her up. Maybe give her an atrocious hairdo that makes no sense. We can’t have her wearing a hairstyle that countless black women in America are currently wearing right now. In fact, we won’t even give her a classic 70s Afro. Make up something completely ridiculous and impractical. Throw two completely different textures in there. Make it look like a hat.

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Viking Jimmy by Jeremy Haun. Jimmy Olsen doesn’t need to die. He needs his own comic published nowadays.

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This argument seems kind of silly to me. I dont’ run a white ethnic comic blog. I just run a comic blog. Half of the reason that people like the internet is the fact that you can’t tell what race, sex, nationality, etc. something is unless the writer either 1) clues you in using what he/she writes. 2) you research the person enough that you find out on your own. or 3) you come straight out and tell your readers. The internet seems like the one place where being able to ignore your race, nationality, or sex is easiest. What do you think?

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More theories at Those Wednesdays, this time for 52. Could DC’s Genesis crossover be involved?

The year was 1997 and DC decided to put out a weekly crossover that linked every power from Green Lantern to Speed Force to Kryptonian abilities to one thing: the Godwave. See upon the Second World’s destruction, which led to the New Gods, a wave was sent out that seeded the powers of Earth’s heroes and villains. Well now the wave was collapsing in upon itself and heading back to it’s origin point: the Source Wall. Darkseid was going to use the moment of its return to rewrite the universe in his own image. Sounds like pretty standard comic fair to me.

However, there is something interesting that occurred in the pages of Genesis that I did not know before picking up the mini-series on ebay. More people than just those who I talked about in my previous post have pierced the source wall. In fact, thirteen people set into the great unknown power to see if they could set things right.

Guess who those thirteen include? Yep. You guessed right. Most of the people from DC’s Countdown peek.

Also thanks to Those Wednesday’s I can’t look at Kalibak the same anymore.

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The Unbearable Awesomeness Of Being looks at comic book ages.

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The Roar of Comics wonders Who is Wonder Woman?

I understand her appeal as an icon, a symbol of women’s power. I understand the appeal of a wonder woman, a being who steps out of myths in the “real” world, bringing a era of gods and monsters with her.

But who IS Diana, clay golem, Amazon princess, ambassador for peace, warrior for Justice? What does she like? What does she fear? What amuses her? What angers her? Gods, I don’t even know her favorite cookie!

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The Howling Curmudgeons discuss border characters, characters that aren’t quite heroes.

To me the obvious example is the Punisher (who, IMHO, isn’t a superhero), but I think there are also other characters who are more marginal than you might think at first blush. Just as a ferinstance, there are characters like the original Guardsman (guy in the two-tone green armor — now I think there are a bunch of people in similar armor) or Stingray, who are more like guards or “break glass in case of team-up” characters who, even within the context of their fictional universe don’t actually seem to put in much effort to fit the criteria, other than having the costume and the powers (and maybe a thin secret identity).

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Mark Waid shows up in Sirspamdalot’s Why Comic Book Writers Oughta Mind Their Own Business. You have to look at the link, because I dont’ want to reproduce all the vitriol spewed forth in the thread.

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Dick Hates Your Blog collects all the interesting Greg Rucka quotes from around the web lately and recommends he go work at Marvel a bit.

Greg Rucka, if you’re reading this (which is entirely possible, since you seem like the type who compulsively Googles his own name), please sign an exclusive with Marvel, then start dishing the dirt, under a pseudonym or via Rich Johnston, if necessary. Thanks.

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Dave’s Long Box looks at Marshall Rogers’ ‘TEC.

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This isn’t really comic related, but it’s entertaining none the less. Bully recently went on an Excowsion to Seattle and blogs about it. Those pictures always crack me up.

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The Ignoble Death of Captain America. BLAM!

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Friday Night Fights Round 3

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I love 52 Pickup, not only do you get a recap of last week’s 52, but you also get an entertaining discussion about digital comics.

The analogous situation in this medium is where the big comics copyright holders are in something of a bind. I get the sense that they’re looking into potential initiatives, but the clock is ticking for people to get in the habit of buying old comics stories via something along the lines of iTunes. I also suspect that what the online market’s profit-drivers might be aren’t the Dark Knight-type perennials, but the long-tail oddities that can’t support print republication and distribution, old stories that get referred to in new ones (like the hail of references that 52 has provided), the “historical documents” of the fictional universe. And customers are going to want to be able to get everything they want in one place, as with iTunes. Call it the celestial longbox.

There’s just too many good points to quote. Go read.

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We’ll end this week’s Meanwhile getting to know a hero a little better. How about Beta Ray Bill?

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Did I miss anything of note? Let me know and I might link it here.

 
26 Responses to “Check the Prophetic Sections of the Pages”
  1. Palette Says:

    More detail on Heliumpunk can be found here, where I explain what it is in relation to other science-fiction genres.

  2. Shane Says:

    Yeah, I guess I should have linked that as well. Oops. I’ll add it now.

  3. Johanna Says:

    Re the “silly argument”: the only people I hear saying they want to ignore such life-shaping factors are white guys. Anyone running a “mainstream” comic blog is running a site mostly for white guys. That’s the historical audience.

    Let the firestorm commence.

  4. Chris Says:

    Thanks for the link, Shane!

  5. Jason Rodriguez Says:

    Blah. I think the main problem is that there really isn’t a “white” culture. Walk around someplace like Brooklyn and you’ll see white people of different ethnicities doing thing differently than other white people. Different values, different outlooks, different everything.

    At the same time, the idea behind “black, brown, or yellow ethnic blogs” (quoted from the article) is downright insulting.

    But what would I know? My mom’s “white” and my father’s “brown” so I guess I’m only looking at this from my blanched-almond cultural perspective.

  6. Shane Bailey Says:

    How would you know I’m a white guy without me coming out and saying I’m a white guy Johanna? You can guess, but you wouldn’t know for sure.

    That’s what I’m getting at. I’m not saying to ignore race, nationality, sex, etc. but the internet is one of the few places where those factors aren’t as obvious as they are when your discussing something in person. That’s why I see it as a silly argument.

    There’s no need for a firestorm either. I don’t see why things can’t be discussed rationally, but then I’m an optimist.

  7. Shane Bailey Says:

    By all means if the writer wants to identify him/herself as belonging to a certain nationality, sex, race, or group, that’s their perogative, but it’s not required. I’m not writing from a “white” perspective, I’m writing from “my” perspective. I just happen to be a white 30 year old male.

    I look at Dwayne McDuffie as a good example. I wouldn’t know his race by just looking at his New Fantastic Four work would I? Writers CAN use their background to influence what they write, but they don’t have to let it control their work. Labeling everything you write as coming from a “white male perspective” would do that.

  8. Ed Cunard Says:

    I’m with Johanna on this one, actually. The issue with whiteness isn’t necessarily that there’s one, true “white experience” or culture or whatever–the issue is that what has traditionally been considered as “standard,” “correct,” “good,” or “universal” in many fields has been based upon the perspective of white men. Who we are informs what we do, and one of the reasons that white people will say “I don’t do anything special just because I am white–I just do things the way I do them” is because they may not have actually faced the idea of whiteness, or that they, in some way, are part of whiteness.

    There’s so much to say regarding this, but I don’t want to co-opt “Meanwhile” with a long dissertation on critical whiteness studies, or anything like that.

  9. Shane Bailey Says:

    Also, if you start labeling yourself, where does it stop? Do I have to list my religion? What about my occupation? They both certainly have some influence on my work. Do I have to list if I’m single? What about my income? Why not just write?

  10. Shane Bailey Says:

    I really would be interested in hearing more, Ed. Maybe in an e-mail if you don’t feel comfortable here.

  11. david brothers Says:

    I look at Dwayne McDuffie as a good example. I wouldn’t know his race by just looking at his New Fantastic Four work would I?

    Just out of curiosity, have you ever been surprised to find out a certain creator was non-white? What about a user on a forum or listserv? “Oh my goodness, you’re a woman?!”

    If so, that’s what Johanna is talking about. White male (or 18-35 White Male) is generally considered the default. It’s not that that is a bad thing, per se, it’s just what we’ve been trained by our society/culture to perceive. It isn’t a conscious thing, either.

    I’d also argue that “there’s no such thing as white culture” (though you didn’t post it) is symptomatic of what Johanna referred to, as well. (I hope I’m not putting words in her mouth or misrepresenting her here.) There is a lot of white culture out there, it’s just that it’s viewed as the default culture, so it isn’t seen as special or remarkable sometimes. It’s just there and taken for granted.

    It’s an interesting topic, and I’d honestly rather see the debate continue here, Shane, rather than in email. This is Blog@, we’re the good side of Newsarama, aren’t we? :)

  12. Ed Cunard Says:

    I’m comfortable enough, but I don’t have the time or the inclination. As much as I loathe to, I’ll crib a brief introduction to the topic from elsewhere for those who may be intereseted:

    http://www.uwm.edu/~gjay/Whiteness/introwhite.htm

  13. Shane Bailey Says:

    I totally agree David. I’d like the conversation to continue here.

    I believe there is such a thing as white culture. What I want to know is when do you stop listing what defines “you”? Do I need to list my marital status? Do I need to list my income? Do I need to list where I live? What about the area of town? When do you stop? You can’t list all these things. Being “white” or “male” isn’t the most important thing about me. They are big parts of me, but not the most important.

    I’ll admit I’ve been suprised in the past, but mostly it’s been the other way around. More like “You’re not female?” Especially with some indy creators.

    Btw, Thanks Ed. I’ll check out the link.

  14. Ed Cunard Says:

    I don’t think we need to carry around ID cards that list our socio-cultural statistics like baseball cards–it’s just a matter of being able to recognize these things. Many people can’t (or, in more troubling cases, won’t) recognize them.

  15. Shane Bailey Says:

    I see that they are there, I just don’t feel I need to tell everyone else exactly what I am at all times. I don’t feel I need to label my blog.

  16. Shane Bailey Says:

    I do apologize for calling the argument “silly” because it’s really quite interesting and I see how that is “dismissive” of the whole point.

  17. Dick Hyacinth Says:

    Whiteness studies is so 10 years ago; it’s been largely supplanted (to the best of my knowledge) by identity discourse. Multinationalism is also very hot.

  18. Guy LeCharles Gonzalez Says:

    Ditto to Johanna, Ed and David’s comments, but at the same time, I kind of get where Shane was coming from, a somewhat idealistic place though it may be.

    When I first started to wander around the comics internet, I could often tell who was and wasn’t white, and the times when I was surprised to be wrong — ie: Ed Cunard — it was usually because “white culture” is so pervasive, especially in comics, that the slightest deviation from that realm of experience sticks out like Yao Ming at a Hobbit convention and I assume “other”.

    It’s not just blogs, either, but the bigger web sites like Newsarama, CBR, et al, too, that have a very “white” feel to them. It’s the main reason I gravitated towards PopCultureShock because there was a much more diverse feel to its content and contributors, and it was largely because the people running it are a diverse lot.

    As for Ragnell’s musings on white ethnicity, there’s a very distinct difference between, say, Ed Cunard and Kevin Church, or Ragnell and Johanna Draper Carlson. Just like there are a variety of black, gay and female voices out there — and guess what, a lot of them don’t agree with each other! — white people are similarly diverse and no one should be (nor should want to be) summarily lumped together under a generic “ethnic” label.

  19. Shane Bailey Says:

    Thanks for your comments Guy and everyone else who commented as well. I’ve been accused of being idealistic quite a bit. I really don’t mind because it’s true.

    Your last paragraph is basically the point I was trying to make, but you said it much better than I could. That’s why I don’t consider myself a writer, I just point out interesting things on the web.

  20. Bully Says:

    I’m black and white.

  21. Johanna Says:

    Shane, I’d know you’re a white guy because only white guys take the tack that none of this “superficial” stuff matters. The rest of us know how much it’s shaped our lives, regardless of what we’d prefer or choose. And yeah, I’d be guessing, but most of the time, I’d be right. It’s called “white privilege” and it made the internet what it is, for good and bad.

    Things are better now, at least, now that there are more different kinds of voices. There were times, back then, when I was THE girl and had to represent all womanhood. Ick.

    As for where do you stop, it depends on the conversation. I know my religious history affects how I view comics (especially when Superman’s fighting demons, for example). It’s all part of your context that informs your opinions.

    I’m glad to see you’re understanding a bit more of what others are saying. That’s cool.

  22. Lisa Fortuner Says:

    Shane — One of the reasons I feel that my perspective can be quantified by race/gender/religion/nationality/etc is that I simply don’t know what its like to be anything else than what I am.

    So, things I take for granted, that seem perfectly natural and assume to be “givens” aren’t necessarily a given to someone else, and vice versa. What you think is universal is actually cultural sometimes.

    So, while you are blogging from your perspective, whether you like it or not it is the perspective of someone from your demographic and its not necessarily neutral at all.

    It doens’t mean you need to quantify each and every post with a listing, but its something to be aware of and explore at times.

  23. Shane Bailey Says:

    See, Meanwhile can help people. I guess I won’t ever totally understand because I don’t have to worry about this stuff in everyday life, but I do have some new ideas to mull over now thanks to this post. Thanks for your comments everyone. Feel free to keep commenting. I’ll still be reading them and hopefully learning something new.

  24. Dorian Says:

    And here you were probably expecting the Jesse Hamm/Mark Waid/Artists vs. Writers link to be the controversial one, weren’t you Shane?

  25. Shane Says:

    Actually, no. That’s pretty much the one I thought I would get the most comments about. No one is playing my lyric game either. Which is kind of funny considering who it is.

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