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Just when you thought, etc.

February 27th, 2007
Author Graeme McMillan

Over at CBR, Gail Simone’s thread on Rick Olney is still going (Oh, just start here, picked at random from yesterday). And, if some of the more recent posts are anything to go by, going badly for all involved.

Olney:

“Gail” … Face it, you’re fat. Gone are the days of that favorite photo that hooks the fanboys. All your insults to me don’t mean a thing. You’re no different than Scott Shaw, Tony Isabella and that Busiek twerp. Okay, I wasn’t going to tell you this, but your entire town pitched in back in 2003 to get you away from the salon for a couple days. lol

Simone:

Rick, I know you’re a lowlife, but you think this is actually insulting? That last bit doesn’t even scan as a sentence.

I haven’t mentioned your appearance, but if you think people are lining up to see your pasty, sweaty, perpetually red face and dirty clothes and fifty cent haircut, I believe you’re a bit deluded. Nice cap by the way…ever think of wearing something that’s been washed once? Might cut down on your infamous smell issues.

And it wouldn’t surprise me if someone else paid, since you’re a fucking worthless deadbeat and even Ebay agrees.

Yeah, it’s one of those threads where no-one ends up looking that good. Olney comes out of it looking the worst, admittedly (Zingers like ” Who I pay and when I pay them isn’t your business. Unlike your sister, who overcharges you to be her brother, right?” will do that for you), but when others are throwing out lines like “Yes Rick Ebay wants monies owed for women’s lingerie in your size and the anal lube you ordered in bulk quantity” and ” You are a lowlife, fucknuckle,” then that moral high ground thing… ehhh? Not so much.

Folks, you want to “win” against Rick Olney? Then all you need to do to is shut up and let him bury himself by saying things like this:

You won’t be pissing on my grave, dipshit. I’ve seen guys like you that have talked the talk only to have your ass handed to you. Fuck you and your friends. You don’t impress, scare, or intimidate me in any respect. You’re a pussy, MacQuarie. I’ll have [the website for the Unscrewed anthology] pulled down legally and have you paying damages. You’re nothing but a pussy.

or, you know, this:

My messes are my business and none of yours … you lil gossip mongering dipshit. I can’t believe that I ever defended you on Commiecon. And then bothering to get to be your friend. You’re a piece of shit, Sam!
I’m done with you. Don’t ever approach me again, and you’d be wise to not say too much or I’ll piss on yoyr gave. Wesaael

Yes, you read that right. “Commiecon”. Because they’re all communists, you understand. I’d say more, but I’m scared that my gave will be pissed on.

34 Responses to “Just when you thought, etc.”
  1. Goodrich Says:

    “That Busiek twerp?” Did FBR teach him nothing? Busiek wins. Always!

  2. Jeff Lester Says:

    Considering how he goes on to spell “your” and “weasel,” I just figured “Commiecon” was another colorful typo/spelling error. Thanks for catching that!

  3. MattR Says:

    What’s a “Wesaael”?

  4. DJ Coffman Says:

    Busiek twerp? That man WILL THROW DOWN IF NEED BE!

    Man, this Olney guy sounds like king asshat of the new AND old year.

  5. CodeGuy Says:

    Oh, this thread is too awesome. I’m having trouble pulling away from it and actually doing my job.

    I’m up to the point where Kurt Busiek jumps in. Good stuff.

  6. Kevin Melrose Says:

    I thought “wesaael” was something the hip kids say, like “wazzzuuup.”

  7. The Ugly American Says:

    They need to just get it on already and be done with it. Frustrations over.

  8. Matthew Craig Says:

    Didn’t Wesaael replace Batman for a time, back in the bad old days?

    Or am I thinking of DeadPool?

    //\Oo/\\

  9. Ian Brill Says:

    Ew.

  10. buttler Says:

    holy pigfluffing clap, it’s like watching a train wreck, only one in which the train crashed into a 747 and a t-rex. how can this olney clown dig himself that deep and just keep digging?

  11. Joe Lawler Says:

    “You’re no different than Scott Shaw, Tony Isabella and that Busiek twerp.”

    Yes, she is talented like them.

  12. Live Free or Dan Coyle Says:

    I think we need the UN to intervene here.

  13. the jim dandy Says:

    Kevin, weaeaaesal is actually the word used to summon Pauly Shore, and I think that is FAR more indicative of Olney’s moral standing than anything else he’s done.

  14. Barry Says:

    I’m scared to even comment on this, as it will indirectly make me a part of it.

    I need a shower. Probably because I smell.

  15. Werd Life Says:

    Not exactly new behavior from Gail either.

  16. Jamie Says:

    “What’s a “Wesaael”?”

    I think you have to kill 250 million of them in World of Warcraft.

  17. AndyDecker Says:

    How old are these people again? This isn´t even funny, just embarassing.

  18. ADD Says:

    “What’s a “Wesaael”?”

    It’s the best part of Xmas! “Let’s go Wesaaelling!”

  19. Chris Allen Says:

    Speaking as a longtime pussy, since when did “lol” mean “lash out loonily”?

  20. Ray Cornwall Says:

    The thread’s not over because the court actions against Olney aren’t over. In fact, a freelancer won a judgement for $2400 against Olney today.

  21. Gail Simone Says:

    Graeme, keeping quiet about this is what allowed this guy to cheat creators for ten years or more.

    And I probably don’t need to point out the illogic of this statement…”Folks, you want to “win” against Rick Olney? Then all you need to do to is shut up and let him bury himself by saying things like this…”
    because, well…he obviously wouldn’t have said it if we hadn’t kept the heat on.

    In fact, when he lied to and cheated me, I kept quiet about it. It just wasn’t worth dealing with him. But the turning point was him insulting and abusing other pros when they came forward, most specifically Val Staples, who gave up everything to pay CrossGen’s debts out of his own pocket.

    I have no regrets about it. Keeping quiet would have done nothing but allow it to keep happening, and a lot of good has come from that thread, regardless of the cherry-picking listed here.

    You know I love ya, but it’s that thread that’s making sure he’s not out cheating more creators out of money and work, which he IS still attempting to do.

    Best,

    Gail

  22. Gail Simone Says:

    And I think ADD gets the win for funniest comment.

    Gail

  23. Ziga Sparovec Says:

    Ms. Simone,

    You’re right to say that Graeme goes to far when he says to ’shut up’, but the main part of his point, that — by stooping to Onley’s level of communication (though with much, much better spelling and wit) — you and your fellow forum members are lessing the effectiveness of your argument against Onley. He digs a pretty deep hole for himself laready, just leave him to it. At this point your (not just yourself, all of the posters) added comments aren’t really diggin the hole any deeper, maybe just a bit wider, which in the end does not much at all. Believe me, the message is out. You were right, keeping quiet was wrong, but everyone (nearly) has said their piece and there’s no need to continue dragging yourself through the mud to keep uo with onley.

    Respectfully,

    Ziga Sparovec

  24. Gail Simone Says:

    I get that, Ziga, but Graeme, and I do like him, is only interested in the worst. That’s what his website was about and it’s what he writes about now. In a hundred pages of threads, that’s probably the meanest thing I said (after everything from being called a whore repeatedly to physical threats), and that only because he was saying some genuinely racist and homophobic shit and I have no patience for that on the best of days. As I’ve said often, who cares what the guy thinks of me? He’s a weirdo deadbeat. But it’s 2007 and I think it’s disgusting to be making racist and homophobic comments at people who disagree with you. Everyone has a hot button, that’s one of mine.

    Graeme’s never going to write about all the good stuff that came out of that thread, unfortunately, because it’s not as fun to read, maybe. Which is why, I’m sorry, but I think this charge is a little bit horsepoo. I liked Fanboy Rampage as much as anyone, but we’re not talking about hurt feelings here or the ending of Civil War, we’re talking about people cheated out of their work and livelihood.

    You have to be able to distinguish between a meaningless net kerfuffle and something where real people are being cheated and threatened. I think that’s a pretty important difference. And again, keeping quiet is what allowed Chuck Dixon, Val Staples, and many, many more creators to be screwed.

    To those who say just let the matter drop, I respond that I STILL get email from people Rick is trying to get to work for him, he’s still sending very abusive threatening emails to people he owes money to, and now he’s claiming he’s hiring new artists and staging another convention.

    We know none of this will happen, but it’d be very easy for newbies or uninformed people to still get burned.

    That’s about it…I won’t say I was always a sweetie pie, I get mad like anyone else when friends are cheated and threatened. But the thread has a lot of good things on it, too, and I’m not guiding it, in any case. I just haven’t shut it down, because I’m big on free speech, anyway.

    Best,

    Gail

  25. Dr. John Smith Says:

    Who had 21 in the “how many comments ’til Gail Simone shows up in a comments thread involving her” pool?

  26. Graeme McMillan Says:

    Cheap shot, Dr. John - She has as much right (if not more) to comment on the thread as anyone else, after all.

    Gail - Ziga kind of gets what I was meaning when I said talked about shutting up; I wasn’t talking about never having said anything in the first place, but instead stopping the dogpile on a man who has by this point become a laughing stock and is more than capable of digging his own grave without the need for people to make comments about anal lube or calling him fucknuckle. My point was that all that kind of thing (the name calling, the baiting) does now is make everyone involved look bad and that, having done the important job of exposing Olney as the liar and fraud that he is, everything past that point is more and more unnecessary to the point where it almost becomes bullying. Of course, you may disagree, and that’s why we have comments threads for people to take me to task on things, I guess.

    The one thing I’d disagree on is that I’m never going to write about the good stuff that came out of that thread: I did so here, surely?

  27. Dr. John Smith Says:

    Not intended as a shot at all Graeme, and apologies to you and Gail if it came off that way. I’m rather in awe of her Beetlejuice-like ability to appear anywhere her name is spoken, is all.

  28. Gail Says:

    I’m not offended, I surf more than I should and I googled Rick’s name (which I’ve been doing for a bit now…he’s posted some crazy shit). No worries.

    And I get what you said, Graeme, I just disagree completely. We still regularly hear from people who hadn’t yet heard of the thread who have been in contact with Rick recently or have had a bad experience with him in the past. If the thread were on page 148 of my board by now, I doubt that would be the case.

    As I said, and as you know, I loved Fanboy Rampage, but I think the “speak no evil” approach works swell when two pros bicker over a story approach, or when readers hate the end of a crossover. But it does pretty much no good at all when you’re talking about something more serious, ie. a serial shamster who is still to this day trying to find new people to cheat, and I’m pretty sure some of these same people who are so aghast at the pros who have expressed outrage might find the whole situation entirely more serious if someone had stolen THEIR paycheck and threatened to sue them if they spoke up.

    Just sayin’. This shouldn’t be approached like the petty squabbles about nothing that made Fanboy Rampage fun. Actual careers and paychecks are at stake here, and it’s easy for some of these folks to laugh about that, but it did some real damage to some hard-working creators (not me, by the way, I told him, after two years of ‘the check is in the mail’ to stuff the remainder of the money he owed me).

    Is it really ‘bullying’ to make other pros, retailers and readers aware of a serial scamster? To post updates on new and weird threats he’s made, new plans for conventions he’ll never be able to follow through with, and to announce when a court case is won against him? Once in a while he shows up and has a public meltdown and calls the women on the thread whores and the men gay or Mexican or some other racist or homophobic slue. I have to confess, I got no sympathy for a guy like that.

    That’s about it, we’ll probably have to agree to disagree. But I do say again, I’m not the one who brought this stuff to light. I only started the thread when it was obvious he had no intention of paying all the people who worked on his vanity press books, and had the gall to threaten them for speaking up. I think it’s actually a nice thing to see so many pros, from Kurt Busiek, to Mark Waid, to Billy Tucci, to Tom Beland, to Marv Wolfman, to Scott Shaw, and many, many others stand up and tell this guy he doesn’t get to pull this again.

    I hope we all stand up and tell the NEXT guy who tries it the same thing. If that makes some poster here upset, you know, whatever. I knew that would be the case and I still think it’s worth a few ‘tut-tuts’ from people whose money and careers are not at all affected. It may not always be pretty, but I like that the industry has banded together to stick up for fellow creators, many of whom are new to the industry and really needed the promised paycheck.

    Best wishes,

    Gail

  29. Gail Says:

    And Dr. John, you just have to say my name thrice and I disappear!

    ;)

    Honestly, I took no offense, no worries. But I do read Newsarama pretty much every day. Who doesn’t?

    Gail

  30. Gail Says:

    Pardon the typos. Jet lag!

    :)

    Gail

  31. Rick Olney Says:

    Late as usual, but “Gail Simone” was never owed anything by me. This whole matter sprang from her dedication, along with others, to people starting with Chuck Dixon after Dixon’s payment on storie that he created for my TALES OF THE SPOOKY book project became derailed by three deaths in my immediate family from July 27th, August 8th, and October 7th of 2007. It is easy to discredit someone not as savy. Whatever else is said, don’t lose track of the bullying that continues to take place.

    I’m hearing daily that I should settle out of court with those involved, yet this specific group targets me and has made my making a living more difficult. WERE I as crazy as they imply, I would’ve already solved my problem of them. No, instead, I trust the civil court system.

    Regarding the materials of TOTS; I have never received the completed materials. And that’s the bottom line legally. Do the reserach. Contracts made, contracts broken (by BOTH sides), end result work not completed and delivered to individual contracting to have the work done.

    If anyone wants to consider me as these obsessive/compulsive types hanging out on Tamryn’s YABS forum do, that is fine by me. Just know that there are more people aware and supportive of me than have spoken out primarily because I’ve told them NOT to get involved. Why? Because –
    The matter is first and foremost a private legal one and I’ve stopped bantering with Tamryn and her trusty troll patrol. They’ve made up more lies, substantiating them by *new* forum postees that were nothing more than sockpuppets. Whatever…

    Don’t figure me for the poor bastard though, as I’ll have the last laugh. I always do.

  32. H.R Says:

    I’m pretty much watching this entire debacle play out as others have. Its been 7 to 8 months since it all began. In that time Mr.Olney you odds are could have made arrangements to take care of this mess.

    Instead …nothing. So if anyones getting a good laugh its the people in Internet land like me laughing hard.

  33. Gail Says:

    The last laugh of utter failure, like every single comics-related endeavor you’ve involved yourself with, Rick? Including this hilarious ‘convention’ that no one attended, or the comics that will never come out?

    You did owe me, you lied about it for two years.

    And my name’s not Tamryn, moron.

    Gail

  34. david Says:

    Pay up, sclub or are you too weasely to do that?

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