He could easily be talkinh about response outside the internet, if people really hated comics as much as it seems online the industry wouldnt exist

Considering that Tony getting Hill’s old job was her idea as much as anyone else’s(and arrived at independently of Tony and Reed, the US SecDef, etc.), I thought that “coffee” gag of Tony’s was a little over the top.

I really hope Maria gives him what-for about it.

So you cherry picking quotes from website forums is supposed to convince us that the event was universially hated. Awesome. At least you are totally subjective an in no way out to make people you dislike look stupid. You are a sad little man.

Yeah…Millar must be very selective about where he looks for his feedback. If I were a popular comic book writer, I think I’d probably only check my specific message board, too…I’d prefer the slight twinge of insanity that comes from such a sheltered outlook to the raging insanity that comes from seeing an inordinate amount of people defecating on you (both with and without cause).

Not fair, man, you make it look like MW is all pro-CW.

And if you read my post (130 something), you’ll see that it’s not.

I’m not surprised there’s so much negativity, these sites seem to foster such attitudes.

(and by negativity I mean bile and venom, not criticism)

Conclusion:

Is Mark Millar then a

a) Demented, delusional, sycophant surrounded writer

b) Liar who’ll stop at nothing to sell another copy and hype own work

Either way i’m not impressed with the, hmm… “man”…

Having visited just about every comic message board out there yesterday, I can easily say that the extremely negative reviews outweighed the positive. A fair number of people at the store read the issue right after the bought it, and there was ONE person who said they liked it.

What a disaster. For all it’s problems, at least Infinite Crisis had an ending.

Bruno you expect otherwise?

Of course MW is pro Millar it always has been (just like Jinxworld is pro Bendis and Byrne’s place is all for him).

I would never expect to see any dissention in the ranks overthere (and I’m also a member too).

Look at the way you guys fawn over Hitchy everytime he comes up with his “reasons” why Ultimates is late again.

When those two speak, its pure unadulterated fanboyism on with no dissension in the ranks.

And that’s to be expected. On any place where the guy’s running it.

The fun is in every other thread running around the place that has nothing to do with the guy in charge where real personalities come out.

LOL and like you said, if you’re the first dissenter of Civil War, it took 130 posts before someone said anything because the rest of them are gleefully applauding the boss. (Or in Aris’s case, still waiting to go to the comic store. )

khuxford – Let us see. People are around 12 times more likely to comment negatively about a bad experience with commerce (as in retail, etc.) I would say it is safe to assume that this disproportionately high negative response is true for entertainment media as well. Add to this that internet comicbook message boards are shall we say havens for negativity and the fact that there is more bad repsonse than good is no mystery. And it is not universal nore overwhelmingly negative. I have been on the boards myself and it is certainly more negative but given the two initial parameters above it is nowhere near the level is is being made out to be.

He thinks most people “dug” Civil War? What message boards was he reading?

I was supposed to be SURPRISED? What exactly about this story was surprising? Really. I think I knew who would win and how back when the Thunderbolts were announced and Millar started bragging about the Initiative. Oh and Dan Slott’s book being DARK. At least DC can keep a secret without wetting itself in glee.

Captain Marvel…clone?

One of the main complaints in the Newsarama threads hits the problem square on the head: If the cornerstone of the resolution was supposed to be that Captain America realizes he can live with registration if Tony Stark’s the one in charge, NONE of that comes through in the abrupt ending to the conflict in #7.

There was another excellent point made somewhere in one of the threads, which was basically that we can look forward to years of GREAT writing at Marvel…by people who are going to come up with creative explanations for why Millar’s radical distortions of the characters make any sort of sense whatsoever.

I don’t really get the point of this comparison.

So Millar’s own website likes CW, while other sites hate it. Gee what a surprise, anonymous internet postings calling this “the wrost series ever.”

Millar never said “newsarama posters gave it a unanimously positive review” so I don’t know what you’re nailing him for.

When sales for post-CW books start nose-diving, and people start abandoning Marvel, then you can say that the majority of people hated Civil War.

Long time reader, first time, etc.

My overall feeling after finishing Civil War #7 was mostly “Is that it?” but it turned into a different feeling after I flicked through the flyer for The Initiative that was also at my local comics shop.

Then I suddenly realised what Civil War was all about; not telling a great story necessarily, but laying the required groundwork for a rethink of the Marvel Universe, that opens up the floodgates for a ton of new books.

Now, yes, I don’t begrudge Marvel trying to make money. I’m not objecting to this per-se; I’m not really objecting to anything. It’s just a very similar feeling to the one I got after finishing Infinite Crisis. Not a feeling that those involved had worked hard to make the best story they could, but that instead ultimately this was just a corporate led exercise in publishing, designed to ship as many books as possible.

I know, I know. It’s not like it’s different from when anyone else from Stan Lee onwards was in charge. I guess these days, with the shrinking readership, it just feels like it’s more manipulative and obvious than it once was.

I will say with a purely superhero lore hat on, the resolution of Civil War and the idea of ‘The Initiative’ does actually intrigue me. It’ll be very interesting to see if it can be pulled off (although I doubt we’ll see much interesting writing on the subject of superheroes and their impact on ‘the world’ by Marvel than, say, in an issue of The Authority or Watchmen). But then again One Year Later intrigued me… and after that year is over (in ‘real time’) we’re left with what? A countdown (literally) to another event.

I have event fatigue.

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Millarworld is hardly the Byrne board. Every comics event (IC, IDC, House of M, Civil War etc.) has posters who like the books and posters who do not.

My reaction as I finished reading was that I needed to vomit. It made me sick. Only other comicbook to do that was the for review copy I got some years ago called The Milkman Murders that was inspired by the “art” of serial killer John Wayne Gacy.

As for Whedon. It kinda fits. Maybe he kept Cap alive. He never has let Buffy beat evil. She always just held it at bay. Somebody might have misunderstood, since evil seems to win.

This was the final statement to old fans that we are no longer welcome unless we like this drivvle.

Make Mine something else!

“I hope Millar doesn’t break his arm patting himself on the back so hard. He won’t be able to type up his scripts and his books will be late again. ”

that would be a bad thing????

I’ll go on a limb and say that I’ve greatly enjoyed the Civil War and can totally understand the way it ended. Cap’s side ended up proving Iron Man’s point for him and didn’t even realise they were doing it until a bunch of cops, firemen and EMS workers stopped him. However that doesn’t mean any of the points Cap raised aren’t valid, or indeed right. “He who surrenders liberty for security deserves neither” as I believe Benjamin Franklin once said (but please correct me if I’m wrong). I’m a great Cap fan so of course the ending left me raging, but at the end of the day when was the last time a comic series evoked such an emotional AND intellectual reaction out of me? Civil War get kudos just for punching fan-boy buttons and generate a genuine response.

Worst and totally wasted usage of Namor I could have ever imagined. One big splash page and then “we surrender” ? Wow…

I knew why the series sucked so badly when I read the Newsrama interview with Millar and he quoted the New York Times’ Seymour Hersh on Iran’s nuclear ambitions – a media narrative this is a pillar of “The War of Terror” but completely unconnected with reality.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080518083230/http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/millar/millar_2.html

If Millar gets his news from ‘liberal hawks’ like the NYT than he’s going to write ‘liberal hawk’ stories that are in basic agreement with neo-conservatism but with some token hand-wringing. It’s a horrible spectacle but very, very popular in the media. Obama is a ‘liberal hawk’, for example.

Millar’s remarks reminded me of the Trey Parker interview where he stated that he got all(!) of his news from the Drudge Report. A steady does of Drudge’s freak-show neo-conservatism explains a lot about South Park’s similar politics.

Comics and cartoons have always answered to the bottom line – it’s just gotten so much more ‘bottom line’-y in the last two decades. And the bottom line does not rock the boat – even when the boat is a destroyer shooting up people in rafts and heading for a iceberg.

It’s a little late but I can see now that “Fair and Balance” and “Whose side are you on?” were just marketing ploys to keep the widest audience possible as America transformed into something ugly.

But I have to admit that Capt. American being tackled by the ‘heroes of 911′ while Iron Man lectures him on causing civilian causalities without a hint of hypocrisy is as good a metaphor as you are going to get for post-911 America.