Comments on: With One Magic Word… “Sales!” http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Sun, 19 May 2013 11:18:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: david brothers http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-69160 david brothers Thu, 01 Feb 2007 06:21:22 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/#comment-69160 Joe Casey was the Wildcats guy, and Wildcats v2, Wildcats 3.0, and his Avengers work are all pretty much home runs. Godland, too. Kelly has had Deadpool, JLA, and a pretty decentish run on Superman. Kyle Baker doesn't need a great superhero thing. Nat Turner was one of the best books to come out last year. Joe Casey was the Wildcats guy, and Wildcats v2, Wildcats 3.0, and his Avengers work are all pretty much home runs. Godland, too.

Kelly has had Deadpool, JLA, and a pretty decentish run on Superman.

Kyle Baker doesn’t need a great superhero thing. Nat Turner was one of the best books to come out last year.

]]> By: del gorky http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-69121 del gorky Thu, 01 Feb 2007 05:26:23 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/#comment-69121 I've enjoyed Winnick's work on Green Arrow and the Outsider's but not on Green Lantern. He does preach too often on homosexual related social issues which makes his runs predictable. He has yet too really hit a big home run yet as writer. That being said, I don't think Joe Kelly has really done so either. Wildcats 3.0 was gettting there but DC pulled the plug and no one was reading it which is sort of a prerequisite. I think Kelly is the more developed writer at this point but seems to be at his best outside of working on major superhero characters. Kyle Baker's great but he's never really done great work on mainstream hardcore superhero comics either. I’ve enjoyed Winnick’s work on Green Arrow and the Outsider’s but not on Green Lantern. He does preach too often on homosexual related social issues which makes his runs predictable. He has yet too really hit a big home run yet as writer.

That being said, I don’t think Joe Kelly has really done so either. Wildcats 3.0 was gettting there but DC pulled the plug and no one was reading it which is sort of a prerequisite. I think Kelly is the more developed writer at this point but seems to be at his best outside of working on major superhero characters.

Kyle Baker’s great but he’s never really done great work on mainstream hardcore superhero comics either.

]]> By: jedifish http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-68796 jedifish Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:03:49 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/#comment-68796 I love Jerry Ordway, but that Power of Shazam series was just awful. So freaking boring. It became just another average super-hero I love Jerry Ordway, but that Power of Shazam series was just awful. So freaking boring. It became just another average super-hero

]]> By: Derek B. Haas http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-68748 Derek B. Haas Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:08:27 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/#comment-68748 A facist believes in government by Zordon. A facist believes in government by Zordon.

]]> By: Tuckenie (Chris Tucker) http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-68683 Tuckenie (Chris Tucker) Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:52:51 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/#comment-68683 I wouldn't put all the blame on Winick. He can be a sold writer on occasion. I'm looking at editorial for the blame here. This direction is a mandate from above that will sink or swim the character and it looks like the fans will have to adjust to the change. Hey at least Cap wasn't turned into a facist like some fun Marvel characters I can think of... I wouldn’t put all the blame on Winick. He can be a sold writer on occasion. I’m looking at editorial for the blame here. This direction is a mandate from above that will sink or swim the character and it looks like the fans will have to adjust to the change. Hey at least Cap wasn’t turned into a facist like some fun Marvel characters I can think of…

]]> By: david brothers http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-68655 david brothers Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:58:58 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/#comment-68655 <i>It’s weird; I loved the Joe Kelly Plastic Man’s lovechild storyline, and yet I loved Kyle Baker’s dripping-with-hate demolition of it.</i> That's because Kelly and Baker are leagues ahead of Winick in terms of raw storytelling skill. A lot of comics characters are really flexible. A great writer could make a great Dark Captain Marvel story. You could easily argue that that is exactly what's going on over in 52. Winick isn't a great writer, though. It’s weird; I loved the Joe Kelly Plastic Man’s lovechild storyline, and yet I loved Kyle Baker’s dripping-with-hate demolition of it.

That’s because Kelly and Baker are leagues ahead of Winick in terms of raw storytelling skill. A lot of comics characters are really flexible. A great writer could make a great Dark Captain Marvel story. You could easily argue that that is exactly what’s going on over in 52.

Winick isn’t a great writer, though.

]]> By: Jer http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-68650 Jer Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:47:12 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/#comment-68650 Some fans better be careful of what they wish for. My pessimistic prediction - the sales on Winick's book will trouce the sales on Smith's. Winick's book is "in continuity", is linked to major DCU events, and is totally tuned to cater to the pre-existing comic-book store market. Smith's book is out of continuity, a stand-alone tale not tied to the DCU at all, and tuned to cater to the "wait for the trade/get it at the bookstore" market. The individual issues are more expensive and you just KNOW that DC is going to be putting out some nice hardcover collection of this stuff with extras and whatnot. Trials of Shazam, OTOH, will probably be collected into 2 separate trade paperbacks after the "big events" are memories and people are waiting for the next Captain Marvel ravmp. Unless the comic-store frequenting public surprise me, Winick's book will outsell Smith's in the monthly issues. I suspect, though, that Smith's take will have a longer shelf life than Winick's in trade and will easily make DC plenty of filthy lucre in the long run. Some fans better be careful of what they wish for.

My pessimistic prediction – the sales on Winick’s book will trouce the sales on Smith’s. Winick’s book is “in continuity”, is linked to major DCU events, and is totally tuned to cater to the pre-existing comic-book store market.

Smith’s book is out of continuity, a stand-alone tale not tied to the DCU at all, and tuned to cater to the “wait for the trade/get it at the bookstore” market. The individual issues are more expensive and you just KNOW that DC is going to be putting out some nice hardcover collection of this stuff with extras and whatnot. Trials of Shazam, OTOH, will probably be collected into 2 separate trade paperbacks after the “big events” are memories and people are waiting for the next Captain Marvel ravmp.

Unless the comic-store frequenting public surprise me, Winick’s book will outsell Smith’s in the monthly issues. I suspect, though, that Smith’s take will have a longer shelf life than Winick’s in trade and will easily make DC plenty of filthy lucre in the long run.

]]> By: Live Free or Dan Coyle http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-68646 Live Free or Dan Coyle Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:39:47 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/#comment-68646 It's weird; I loved the Joe Kelly Plastic Man's lovechild storyline, and yet I loved Kyle Baker's dripping-with-hate demolition of it. It’s weird; I loved the Joe Kelly Plastic Man’s lovechild storyline, and yet I loved Kyle Baker’s dripping-with-hate demolition of it.

]]> By: Primate http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-68634 Primate Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:28:32 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/#comment-68634 I'm usually a big fan of Winnick's work. I enjoyed his GL run, and now enjoying GA. But I think he has really missed the boat on what makes Cap "tick." Winnick has stated his averison to the silly aspects of the Shazam mythos, but I think that's why it works. It's the same reaosn I'd rather read Kyle baker's Plastic Man, than Joe Kelly's. Certian characters benefit from a degree of angst. And certain ones don't. Cap and Plas are in that latter category. I’m usually a big fan of Winnick’s work. I enjoyed his GL run, and now enjoying GA. But I think he has really missed the boat on what makes Cap “tick.” Winnick has stated his averison to the silly aspects of the Shazam mythos, but I think that’s why it works. It’s the same reaosn I’d rather read Kyle baker’s Plastic Man, than Joe Kelly’s. Certian characters benefit from a degree of angst. And certain ones don’t. Cap and Plas are in that latter category.

]]> By: The Ugly American http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-68407 The Ugly American Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:24:31 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/#comment-68407 You just know that Winnick is going to give the hospitalized Mary Marvel a bad blood transfusion. Totally telegraphed. You just know that Winnick is going to give the hospitalized Mary Marvel a bad blood transfusion. Totally telegraphed.

]]> By: Ian http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-68404 Ian Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:23:11 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/#comment-68404 I'm betting Trials of Shazam sells a LOT better. I’m betting Trials of Shazam sells a LOT better.

]]> By: Matt D http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-68386 Matt D Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:13:29 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/31/with-one-magic-word-sales/#comment-68386 Sales is a tricky one here. Price point's going to be a big factor, as will waiting for a collected edition. At the high price point, I know I'm going to probably wait for a hardcover(or preferably a softcover) TPB. Sales is a tricky one here.

Price point’s going to be a big factor, as will waiting for a collected edition.

At the high price point, I know I’m going to probably wait for a hardcover(or preferably a softcover) TPB.

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