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Smallville’s “Justice”: What did you think?

January 19th, 2007
Author JK Parkin

The much-anticipated “Justice” episode of Smallville aired last night; if you missed it, TV Squad has a recap up of the episode.

If you saw it, what did you think? Is it time to start a letter-writing campaign to the CW, or are the JLA better off staying on the comic page?

 
51 Responses to “Smallville’s “Justice”: What did you think?”
  1. Anthony Baker Says:

    Sorry, but Heroes has taken things to a whole other level. Justice was ridiculous, frankly. The series has become OC-like soap fare more than anything else at this point. (Not to say it was always this way…)

    I’m hoping this is the final season, frankly.

    FWIW — I still can’t get over the fact that Clark and Lex, as portrayed here, wouldn’t figure crap out once he actually became Superman. How different would a Welling Supes look from how Clark looks now? Wouldn’t wearing glasses and being bumbling (if they took the Donner approach) just seem odd?

    Have to say though, SV’s Lois is MUCH better than what we got in Superman Returns. One can only hope they do casting changes there (though doubtful).

  2. ResIpsa Says:

    The episode did what it set out to do: portray a live-action version of a junior Justice League. I liked it, but found two problems with it. First, it illustrated the X-Men criticism of colorful costumes in real life: Flash and Aquaman looked a little more corny than believable. (Green Arrow looks good, but not great.) Second, I was disappointed that the team was portrayed as a terrorist group. The JLA in the comics tends to fight other supervillains or big alien threats; this came off as a rogue, covert mission outside my expectations.

  3. Paul Says:

    I thought it was cool, despite the costumes and abrupt plot (it’s a secret lab, oops, well, not anymore).

    Keep in mind this was not truly the Justice League, formed to defend Earth against overwhelming threats; it was more like the Justice League Elite. Arthur, Bart and Vic were all employed by Ollie for his purposes, not to save the world.

    It would take the influence of someone like, oh…Clark to turn the group into a force for good, in a global sense.

    Maybe one day.

  4. Primate Says:

    I thought it was a fun, fanboy wish-fulfillment episode in a series that often eschews both those categories. I would agree that the series has probably gone on too long at this point. I think a live-action GA spin-off series would be fun. The costumes didn;t bother me for the most part, and the code anmes as a means of avoiding blowing secret identities over thje radio made a degree of logical sense. I especially enjoyed the “Watchtower” allusions as Chole fulfilled the Oracle in comics/Martian Manhunter in JLU role.

    And on that note, I keep waiting and waiting for DC to introduce Chloe inot the comics. What’s the holdup? Surely the Smallville producers have SOME idea of where that character will end up, once the series has ended? Unless the plan is for Chloe to be dead by Smallville’s end, why not intro her now in the comics?

  5. chris Says:

    I’d like to see Smallville morph into a new series called Metropolis, with Lex as the main character. The Luthers are the only reason I enjoy the show now.

    The new mythology built by Smallville has ruled out Clark ever becoming Superman.

  6. Tom Bondurant Says:

    Spoilers, obviously:

    Given “Smallville’s” limitations, I think this episode did the best it could. For a backdoor Justice League pilot, it focused too much on the relationship between Ollie and Lois. However, in terms of checking in with Clark’s other super friends (ha ha), it was more of a success. Also, in terms of showing Clark’s development into a superhero, it let Bart embody the fun aspects and Ollie the relationship-straining elements. I didn’t see the Aquaman or Cyborg episodes, but their appearances here were pretty good.

    Also, just in terms of bringing together all the DC guest heroes seen to date, this was pretty satisfying. I do wish the schedule had been flipped somewhat to let J’Onn J’Onzz into the League, but them’s the breaks.

    Now for the nitpicks: I didn’t like Impulse’s hoodie, mostly because it’s not very aerodynamic. I wouldn’t expect even a super-speedster’s aura to keep it from blowing off his head every time he accelerated past 20 mph or so. Also, I liked Chloe’s codename, but why not “Oracle?” T/R did “Birds Of Prey” too, after all.

    I also agree that “Smallville” hasn’t done enough to differentiate plain ol’ Clark from his future self. I dunno, maybe a haircut and spit-curl will be enough, and there’s still time to develop super-hypnotism….

  7. Chad Says:

    man I don’t know what all this talk is of heroes bringing it up a notch….all that show does is drag every single scene and plot out with pointless and boring exposition…”we need to save the cheerleader blah blah blah…Sylar this, Syalr that”…ugh…that said…

    this episode was not perfect…but it was fun….and that’s all I wanted….I love Smallville’s version of the Flash (Impulse) and dug the bright (if a bit cheesy) costumes…Smalleville is still firmly planted in it’s WB Dawson’s Creek roots but I thought last nights ep was a nice little detour(missing Lana thank goodness)…

  8. TopTenSources - Comic Books Says:

    Justice wasn’t everything that a comic fan could want, but it was as close to — within reasonable limits — that a fan could expect from Smallville. Yes, the claims about the soap-opera-ness of Smallville are well-founded, but the series continues to attract me, at least, because this season and the previous have shown Clark’s character to be expanding beyond just Smallville to becoming an actual hero recognizing responsibility and that crime is not politics, its not all local.

  9. Chris Says:

    I really enjoyed it!

  10. tralfaz Says:

    snorefest.

  11. c. towns Says:

    i thought it was fun. truely though, this does look like a good time to start up a green arrow series.

  12. Nick Says:

    This ruled!! It was the best episode EVER! It showed Clark that he wasn’t alone and sometimes it’s best to work with others. Hell, give the League their own show!!

    Is it just me or is Chloe acting more and more like Oracle??? She should so be Oracle!! (or the equivalent of)

    Anyways, it was fantastic!! Humerous, fun mixed with action. I doesn’t get any better than this! MORE MORE MORE!!

  13. puckett! Says:

    ive been wondering… is smallville’s clark really supposed to be superman anymore. it kind of feels like this is an alternate timeline type of thing, more an elseworld than a retcon.

    obviously, it was never continuity.

  14. NP Smith Says:

    Great episode. Sure, it had some problems, but you know what? It was still an entertaining show, best so far this season.

  15. Jason Says:

    I enjoyed the episode especially considering how much they accomplished considering the network and budget for the show. The bright costumes didn’t show me anything except that you don’t use hoodies because these costumes were nothing like comic book costumes, though AC looked better without the shirt, more like the Peter David version of the character. All I wondered was why Cyborg was wearing a breast plate. Unlike some people, I think this episode, and some previous ones, have very much shown that Clark is on the path to becoming Superman, but not the same Superman we read in the comics.

  16. Greg Says:

    Overall, “Justice” was an enjoyable episode, but only in context of the series itself. It’s clear enough to not need continual re-stating that the show is NOT comics continuity, nor do we want it to be…(new stories, that’s what we want)…

    I enjoyed seeing the JLA heroes, such that they are in this format (damn fine to look at, to say the least…), the hoodie was a bad choice, I agree…but how can they be the Justice League until they set aside their little boy/terrorist ways…and until they’ve attracted the attention of a certain Gotham bat and Themiscyran princess…or at least Black Canary! (I know, I know, the rights aren’t available…)

    Recently, I have been a little concerned that this series is supposed to bridge that gap between Clark’s younger years and becoming the well-known, brightly clad Man of Steel…and while we see Lex turning into the Luthor we all love to hate, Clark’s transformation is slow as anything. By this point in his life, we ought to be seeing glimmers of his future! He certainly shouldn’t have to ask Chloe to check heat signatures if the building’s clear–he should be able to see that himself!

    But still–nice job!!

  17. tom Says:

    wow! thats all i can say. me opinion it it was well worth the wait. coansidering the limitations this show has and all this episode pulled thru as wone fo the best. i was a little disappointment in aquaman not getting so much action. remember it is a prime time show o ntelevison and not a big budget film. look at all the character that were in it. this was top notch. a++

  18. clay Says:

    this was a great episode. it was fun and entertaining.

  19. Piferelli Says:

    Overall, I liked the episode. I enjoyed the Bart and Martha Kent moment in the kitchen, A.C.’s “fish jokes, always fish jokes” comment, and Lionel’s white lie and jab at Lex at the end, just to name a few. I was really hoping against all hope that the episode wouldn’t have the “team” lineup shot (with exploding building backdrop) that was used in the teaser commercials, but hey, that’s television, and we’re talking the CW at that. All of the superheroes aside, though, this episode (and several previous episodes this season) had a lot of structure around Chloe, and that has been the best aspect of this current season for me. I’ll be curious to see if DC Comics ever decides to include her character into the printed series, or if this character is doomed to live only on TV.

  20. Ragtime Says:

    The only part that bugged me was the team lineup shot. Clark was at the “point”, with the other four trailing him. But this was clearly Queen’s League. He organized it, it was his plan, and he saved Clark from the Kryptonite.

    It was Ollie’s right to be at point in that scene, not Clark’s.

  21. hart Says:

    I loved this episode. I thought it was well worth the wait.

    I just hope for a spinoff of some sort. I think it could get good ratings.

  22. Skyhawk Says:

    It wasn’t bad. As far as I’m concerned Smallville is an elseworld scenario. When’s Wonder Woman going to show or are they backing off for Joss Whedon’s project?

  23. Mike Says:

    Last night allowed me to just geek out about the possibilities this show has. I liked how it showed Clark’s self-righteousness and that working with others is something he should be doing more. Clark needs a mask or disguise though….there’s not way that plant didn’t have security cameras clocking Clark’s face while he was there.

    WB should have let this show end on a high note in a season or two, then made Tom Welling and the Smallville cast into the new Superman movie. Would have been much better than what we got last year.

    I’d love to see a GA or JL spinoff series, though! (anyone catch the corporation that Ollie said: ‘JL International’? Yay!)

  24. Dan Says:

    Hey, at least there wasn’t a Lana subplot

  25. Sam Says:

    Has anyone seen the episode where the guy can see your death in the future when he touches someone?

    When he touched Clark it showed the Superman cape (with full diamond S logo in yellow on the red cape) flying through space and the guy said,

    “whoa… its like you never die…”

  26. Joe Says:

    I enjoyed the episode for the fun that it was always meant to be. C’mon, all the little nods to fanboys everywhere?! “JL International”, “Watchtower”, and my personal favorite, “Boy Scout”.

    This episode screamed spin-off. Just add Black Canary and Huntress from the ol’ Birds of Prey series, and the 6 of them can be traveling around the world attempting to foil the plans of Luthor Corp.

  27. Carl Says:

    This was a great episode! I haven’t been able to watch for awhile, but it was great stuff. I was cool to see the other characters and have them teaming up. I think to many people get hung up on whether or not the show tie in with the comics. Who cares! If the show is entertaining, than enjoy it. The fact that it is not following the comic opens up tons of possibilities. A spin-off would kick@$$!

  28. Jason Says:

    I had no expectations coming in to watch this nor was I going to compare this show to X-MEN or HEROES. It would be incredibly foolish to do so.

    I actually liked it quite a bit. It was better than most Smallville episodes. The jokes between the members of the group were pretty funny. I was hoping to see more action but otherwise I liked it. I would definitely check out a spin-off if they had one. Something like Mission Impossible with superheroes.

  29. Loren Says:

    This is what I thought…

    http://lorenjavier.com/adventuresofagaygeek/?p=542

  30. STORM Says:

    Super Entertaining, but not as solid a story as I wanted. Enjoyed Luthor’s diabolical treatment of Bart, and Aquaman can keep that shirt off as much as he wants (loved the line about him swimming faster when he’s naked). The Oliver and Lois scenes were a snoozefest though. “This is the moment I’ll regret forever isn’t it” (or whatever Ollie says) **Gag** Still, A Lot Of Fun!

  31. killerseamonkey Says:

    I liked it. :)

  32. David Barrett Says:

    If they’re all working for JL International, doesn’t that mean they are all going to die?

  33. Rapierwit Says:

    I really enjoyed it

  34. jc Says:

    Shark over-jumping time!

  35. HaasCage Says:

    I liked it, it was fun and entertaining. If you wanted the DCU Justice League then read the comics. This is a different media so different rules apply. Changes good or bad will always be present nothing is canon in the world of comics and TV. So please all of you peeps complaining need to understand that.

  36. Crusader K Says:

    Ok, I thought it was very entertaining. I mean, come on folks, it’s comic books. Some random thoughts: I like Green Arrow’s hoodie, Bart’s not so much. I thought actually that it was a good idea that the costumes were bright. I mean, they are supposed to by symbolic and distracting at the same time right? In fact, it would have been neat to have Clark wear a blue Smallville High sweatshirt with a Smallville High red “S” on it and a red jacket over it. Or would that have been too much? I would have like to have seen Clark tell Bart at the end something along the lines of “Impulse? Bad codename. The way you move, why not something like ‘Flash’?” Would have been neat. Hmm, the Justice League as a series? I’m way in favor of that. Maybe Chloe could move there and become Oracle. You just KNEW that you’d see a “Right Stuff” slo-mo shot in there. Cyborg? Well, I didnt see the episode he was in but I wish we could have seen some more metal on him ala Vic Stone in the Titan’s books. Sure was lucky for Arthur that the plant was near a waterway. Sigh. Aquaman is hard to write for. It annoys me that Lois is still on there series. Makes me agree that this has definitely morphed into an Elseworlds story. But really, arent all comics Elseworlds?

  37. Chino Moreno Says:

    Watched it for the JL. Corny, mellodramtic, and chock full of homoerotic leathermen. Never again.

  38. T-Man Says:

    I thought the episode was OK. I guess I had bigger expectations. I am getting tired of them trying to squeeze too much into too little time. Do a few 2 parters. I like Clarks continuing evolution in super heroism. In this episode he sees proactive hero’s working for what they believe is the common good and he knows that he needs to head in that direction too.
    What I always loved about this show is filling in the back story to get us to Superman and the other well known characters. That is moving way too slow for me now and there are some glaring issues that I can’t seem to get past. 1) How is he going to be able to go from Clark super guy to Superman and Clark mild mannered reporter after all of this super Clark stuff? How will they explain all that and how will all the others around him not see who Superman really is when he show’s up eventually? 2) Lois and Chloe, what’s the deal and how is that going to resolve it’s self? 3) Lionel and Lex and how will that resolve as well? Lana’s story line is boring but the rest could be interesting if they would just focus on them instead of dedicating the last 10 minutes of each episode to the big story and the rest on a stand alone rushed superhero story that basically doesn’t contribute to the big story. Episodes about Jor-El, the Caves, developing super powers were always the best episodes from Smallville. We need more of that.
    I think it’s time to dump the small stuff and start resolving the big story. Much of this season makes me feel like…. let’s just stretch this out for one more year. I actually think this season would have been a great season to end the series and to focus on answering all the questions us geeks want answered.

  39. Superman/Batman Says:

    I really enjoyed it, definitly one of the better episodes this season. They can easily make a goof JL spin-off, which would be nice right now after JLU being canceled.

  40. Simon DelMonte Says:

    Better than most episodes of the show, with a good sense of hero comraderie and good variations on the real heroes (especially Bart). But Calrk’s willingness to blow up the LuthorCorp plant was just not what I want from the future Superman. This version of the JLA might play by harsher rules, but I don’t want to see Supes using those rules as well.

    Otherwise, this was loads of fun, with the best use of Chloe in ages, interesting (if not perfect) costumes, and a reminder of why Bart Allen works better as a teen.

  41. JT in Bayside, NYC Says:

    Hearing all the whiners out there nay saying is a real drag. I enjoyed the episode and this season has been really good. All you peeps need to sit back and relax. Chill all you peeps and stop taking yourself all so seriously.

  42. Fred Says:

    To Simon DelMonte:

    Clark blowing up a Luthorcorp plant experimenting on (read: torturing) innocent superhumans is no worse than Superman leveling a hidden Luthor base in the comics. Besides, unlike some superhero comics I could name, Clark and the JLA made certain Luthor employees (good and evil) escaped BEFORE the bombs went off.

    Frankly, it would be moral cowardice for the JLA to not destory the Luthorcorp plant. They are superheroes, after all.

    On lighter matters, “Justice” was what I expected: a fun, escapist superhero team-up adventure. I wish more Smallville episodes was as enjoyable as this one was.

  43. nyhardcore Says:

    I’ve only seen Smallville once before and thought it was kind of hokey soap-opera-ish. I checked this episode out on Youtube, because Green Arrow is my favorite DC character. Overall, I still think it’s a pretty cheesy show, but I wasn’t overly disgusted with it. It was fun, I geeked out a little bit and went on with my life.

  44. Gatchaman Says:

    I was sitting on the edge of my chair watching this episode, fun to watch, always wishing it was longer, Love to see Batman & Wonder Woman soon, keep up the good work.

    Smallville Rules!

  45. Primate Says:

    Nyhardcore calls the series as a whole “hokey soap-opera-ish” and I think he has hit the nail on the head. The series, especially this episode, is just FUN. I think it’s silly the way so many posters were expecting The Brothers Karamozov or something. Sure the costumes were hokey, sure they took some liberties with DC continuity, sure the romance subplots tend to dominate, sure the characters act like kids – this is, after all, a primetime tweenager soap opera about young superheroes, for God’s sake. Of course it’s all those things! That’s the point! I mean, if this wacky little live-action Justice League didn’t appeal to the inner fanboy in you, why the heck are you reading superhero comics in the first place!?

  46. Kevin Says:

    I thought Justice was really good. All the characters worked well together and had good little quips between each other as expected. I hope to see more like this.

  47. IronJedi Says:

    Smallville=Dawson’s Cape? Certainly. Justice episode? Rollicking good, comic fanboy escapist fun!

  48. Grotesk Says:

    The episode was good if you had seen the other eps with the characters and wanted to see them again somehow. It would be great to see them do their own series, if only to get them some decent stories, character arcs and costume changes. O, and either Canary or WW. Sadly, in this Clark continues to be thick as all get-out, hovering fearfully at the doorway to being a real hero and not really striking one as the sharp-witted Superman he’s supposed to become.

    However, if you think of this as an Elseworlds tale, where the League are Bat-and-Martian-free, and that Clark will become Supernova as a trial run before becoming Superman, then it sort of works. Of course, in that case, Chloe should become possessed by a Kryptonian spirit a la Lex getting Zodded, only in Chloe’s case, she’d become Power Girl.

    Mmmmm… Power Girl…

  49. Brainlock Says:

    I had mixed reactions to it.

    on the one hand, my geek factor was thru the roof with all the in-jokes and nods to JL continuity.

    otoh, the story didn’t flow too well for me, and most of it seemed forced (more than usual) just to get to the Big Boom at the end.

    Why did Clark ask Chloe to double-check there were no heat signatures? for the same reason he didn’t know about the lab full of Kryptonite: numerous rooms lined with lead blocked his X-Ray vision.

    Why did Clark okay the building’s destruction? Not just to destroy any ‘meteor freak’ data, but also to destroy any possible evidence on camera of the group’s presence.

    (altho I have to question why that explosion didn’t send that ton of Green K flying all over Metropolis?)

    costumes: WAY too “Ultimates” for me (JLUltimates?), but most realistic since F4 movie costumes. Just lose Bart’s hoodie (LOVE the lightning on his back tho!) and can I say I am THRILLED they didn’t call him “FLASH”! I even referred to him only as “Kid Impulse” when he ‘graduated’ to the Titans. Someone (and we all know who) can’t seem to let him mature on his own. I’min the camp that wants to de-age him out of the new Flash title and return Wally (and his family) where he belongs.

    IF this turned into a backdoor pilot for a JL TV series, I can see them keeping similar looks. As for the (possible) spin-off line-up, I can see keeping this group, minus Clark, but definitely in need of some females to balance the team (Vixen? Fire? Ice? Z?), too bad the most obvious top two choices (WW, BC) are tied up by technicalities, elsewhere.

    I do agree with several people that this series is definitely going to cause problems with Clark hiding his future identity. For Lex, I have always thought they can play the ‘amnesia card’, considering his past mental problems (maybe with an assist from J’onn? missed his ep, so I can’t be too sure).

    For everyone besides Lex:
    Lana HAS to know by series’ end,
    Lois should take the “That’s TOO obvious to be true” tack (until their engagement),
    and
    Chloe…I still say the series ends with her death, spurring Clark to finally make his public debut.

  50. martoon Says:

    The last minute of the show (quotes approximate)- Chloe: “Clark, you have some remarkable friends”. Clark looks at her and sez, “Yes,I do”. That called for a George Reeves “wink”!

  51. derek Says:

    we as smallville and justice league fans need to get everybody mobilized and push for a series spin off called justice

    i since january have been playing over this episode again and again. i really think now is the time not a year from now or after season 7 whatever to do this

    i think that they should continue until this last season ends

    they close out phantom zone story arc. then have clark go to the fortress

    twelve years later what the movie has us used to, start the new series.

    see on this smallville series he meets them backwards from the comics but either way they are fighting injustice during the years he is gone

    he comes back and begins to lead them. Batman and all of them need their justice league colors and use the 33.1 army arc to finally bring in the legion of doom.

    i mean he already has that mihkail guy from the 5 dimension in there. he has also met brainiac he was a member

    i love this show really dont want them to go one more year already pushed his training back a year remember arrival episode he was starting it before chloe walked in there

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