Comments on: I’m digging deep ’cause I’m digging for treasure. http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Thu, 23 May 2013 05:17:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: S. Carey http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-59115 S. Carey Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:36:02 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-59115 First, I should say I know nothing about the indentification/mis-indentification on the earlier story. I will google what I can to learn more on that. I am no more than a fan of the medium here, and don't always follow the online press. But my hat's off to Gail Simone for shining a light on the current story, to Ronee Bourgeois for helping focus it, and to Michael Netzer for giving Ronee a place to do so. It needed doing from what I can tell, having read 360 pages of that ever-growing thread. First, I should say I know nothing about the indentification/mis-indentification on the earlier story. I will google what I can to learn more on that. I am no more than a fan of the medium here, and don’t always follow the online press.

But my hat’s off to Gail Simone for shining a light on the current story, to Ronee Bourgeois for helping focus it, and to Michael Netzer for giving Ronee a place to do so.

It needed doing from what I can tell, having read 360 pages of that ever-growing thread.

]]> By: Michael Netzer http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57594 Michael Netzer Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:12:39 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57594 Damm Internet Spectacle. Mixes convention assault allegations with convention rape allegations every time. Not your fault man. Damm Internet Spectacle. Mixes convention assault allegations with convention rape allegations every time. Not your fault man.

]]> By: Graeme McMillan http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57560 Graeme McMillan Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:02:18 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57560 Dammit, I mixed the convention up with the BB rape allegation thing, didn't I? Dammit, I mixed the convention up with the BB rape allegation thing, didn’t I?

]]> By: Jim Caldwell http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57559 Jim Caldwell Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:59:37 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57559 <i> Ronee, you may remember, was the woman who announced to the world the Taki Soma allegations at WW:Chicago last year, </i> Um ... That wasn't at WW:Chicago. Google is your friend. Ronee, you may remember, was the woman who announced to the world the Taki Soma allegations at WW:Chicago last year,

Um … That wasn’t at WW:Chicago.

Google is your friend.

]]> By: Justme http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57499 Justme Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:06:04 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57499 If I was robbed like this and I wrote a story about it...I think anything short of 10 expletives would qualify as professional journalism. Glad people are talking so others don’t fall prey. If I was robbed like this and I wrote a story about it…I think anything short of 10 expletives would qualify as professional journalism. Glad people are talking so others don’t fall prey.

]]> By: Don MacPherson http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57460 Don MacPherson Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:17:32 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57460 Thanks for the kind words about Eye on Comics, Michael. And though we don't agree about about the Taki Soma journalism issue, I think we do agree it shouldn't and doesn't come into play in this new Tight Lip Entertainment controversy. Thanks for the kind words about Eye on Comics, Michael. And though we don’t agree about about the Taki Soma journalism issue, I think we do agree it shouldn’t and doesn’t come into play in this new Tight Lip Entertainment controversy.

]]> By: Michael Netzer http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57410 Michael Netzer Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:27:38 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57410 Perhaps Gail's que is the best one to take here, Don. I'll let the old story lay for now. This comments thread hides some rather persuasive powers, it appears. Excellent review site you've produced, btw. The Hughes/Wonder Woman commentary is a masterpiece. Perhaps Gail’s que is the best one to take here, Don. I’ll let the old story lay for now. This comments thread hides some rather persuasive powers, it appears.

Excellent review site you’ve produced, btw. The Hughes/Wonder Woman commentary is a masterpiece.

]]> By: Michael Netzer http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57353 Michael Netzer Wed, 10 Jan 2007 05:13:17 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57353 Mr.MacPherson, I'm inclined to take Gail's que and let the old story make room for the new. But being a long-standing fan of your reviews and editorials (The Wonder Woman press release T&A critique from Sept. was a masterpiece), and knowing your regard for criminal law, and completely in understanding of the unnecessary grief Mr. McLaughlin has suffered, I'd like to offer the following thought. Though it's easy to threaten with legal action (as we've seen with the near comedic overtures from Rick Olney) It's not at all clear that PopCultureShock or Ronee could be held responsible for the actions of others who errantly named Mr. McLaughlin as the accused in that incident. For such a case to be accepted, proof would have to be provided that PopCulureShock and Ms. Beaurgois specifically named Mr. McLaughlin or left no doubt whatsoever as to his identity. Neither of these two conditions were present in Ronee's reporting. Additionally, PopCulutreShock ultimately stood by Ronee, in light of threats of legal action against them, indicating they understood the injustice perpetrated against her by the industry press. I believe Ms. Beaurgois has paid a dear and heavy personal price for her perceived "sloppy" reporting. While some comics reporters who rose to the defense of their friend by shifting the attention to her and dilluting the severity of the dangerous behavior of someone they wished to protect, still do not realize the professional shortcoming of what they've done. But as Gail says, this is a new story. I only hope you'll understand my concern for the truth of the old one, which is no less than my concern for the injustice that Jim McLaughlin himself suffered. And thank you for the wonderful volumes of excellent reviews and opinions. They are a credit to the industry. Mr.MacPherson,

I’m inclined to take Gail’s que and let the old story make room for the new. But being a long-standing fan of your reviews and editorials (The Wonder Woman press release T&A critique from Sept. was a masterpiece), and knowing your regard for criminal law, and completely in understanding of the unnecessary grief Mr. McLaughlin has suffered, I’d like to offer the following thought.

Though it’s easy to threaten with legal action (as we’ve seen with the near comedic overtures from Rick Olney) It’s not at all clear that PopCultureShock or Ronee could be held responsible for the actions of others who errantly named Mr. McLaughlin as the accused in that incident. For such a case to be accepted, proof would have to be provided that PopCulureShock and Ms. Beaurgois specifically named Mr. McLaughlin or left no doubt whatsoever as to his identity. Neither of these two conditions were present in Ronee’s reporting.

Additionally, PopCulutreShock ultimately stood by Ronee, in light of threats of legal action against them, indicating they understood the injustice perpetrated against her by the industry press.

I believe Ms. Beaurgois has paid a dear and heavy personal price for her perceived “sloppy” reporting. While some comics reporters who rose to the defense of their friend by shifting the attention to her and dilluting the severity of the dangerous behavior of someone they wished to protect, still do not realize the professional shortcoming of what they’ve done.

But as Gail says, this is a new story. I only hope you’ll understand my concern for the truth of the old one, which is no less than my concern for the injustice that Jim McLaughlin himself suffered.

And thank you for the wonderful volumes of excellent reviews and opinions. They are a credit to the industry.

]]> By: Barry http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57348 Barry Wed, 10 Jan 2007 05:04:37 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57348 I don't know who any of these people are and for that, I am eternally grateful. Back to my bliss... I don’t know who any of these people are and for that, I am eternally grateful.

Back to my bliss…

]]> By: Don MacPherson http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57322 Don MacPherson Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:34:39 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57322 Mr. Netzer: The problem with Ronee's "reporting" was that someone innocent did get painted with the ugly brush she wielded: specifically, Jim McLaughlin. I don't think many faulted Ronee's intentions. It was her sloppy practice of journalism and subsequent attempt to hide behind "it's only an opinion column" defence that irked many, including myself. Ms. Bourgeois opened herself and PopCultureShock to civil action. I can appreciate why you see her reporting as "courageous," but it was also irresponsible. Mind you, that shouldn't mean anyone should celebrate her being shafted by Rick Olney. They're separate issues altogether. Mr. Netzer:

The problem with Ronee’s “reporting” was that someone innocent did get painted with the ugly brush she wielded: specifically, Jim McLaughlin.

I don’t think many faulted Ronee’s intentions. It was her sloppy practice of journalism and subsequent attempt to hide behind “it’s only an opinion column” defence that irked many, including myself.

Ms. Bourgeois opened herself and PopCultureShock to civil action. I can appreciate why you see her reporting as “courageous,” but it was also irresponsible.

Mind you, that shouldn’t mean anyone should celebrate her being shafted by Rick Olney. They’re separate issues altogether.

]]> By: Gail http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57309 Gail Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:06:49 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57309 New story, guys. The villain here is not Ronee. She is the victim. The villain is the guy she wrote about in her column this week. Gail New story, guys.

The villain here is not Ronee. She is the victim. The villain is the guy she wrote about in her column this week.

Gail

]]> By: Michael Netzer http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57291 Michael Netzer Wed, 10 Jan 2007 02:21:22 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57291 Why have no fingers been pointed at the reporters who named the guy? Ronee's descrption was vague enough not to specify anyone with certainty. Jeff, even you say: "...more accurately described the wrong person than the individual at fault." Well, even if it's seen this way, saying it's more one guy than another doesn't constite a specific person. Ronee has taken the heat on this unjustly while the other reporters who jumped to coclusions, and later pointed the finger at her when they discovered it was their friend and not the guy they thought, are all off the hook because there's no one to call them on it. Why doesn't their wrong guess put their own judgement to question? Why have no fingers been pointed at the reporters who named the guy? Ronee’s descrption was vague enough not to specify anyone with certainty. Jeff, even you say: “…more accurately described the wrong person than the individual at fault.” Well, even if it’s seen this way, saying it’s more one guy than another doesn’t constite a specific person. Ronee has taken the heat on this unjustly while the other reporters who jumped to coclusions, and later pointed the finger at her when they discovered it was their friend and not the guy they thought, are all off the hook because there’s no one to call them on it. Why doesn’t their wrong guess put their own judgement to question?

]]> By: Jeff Albertson http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57270 Jeff Albertson Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:44:36 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57270 I don't deny Ronee's courage so much as her judgment. Why don't you ask the guy her "vague reporting" pointed to if it was understandable and justified? Yes, she didn't name the person, but she described the perpetrator in such a way that it more accurately described the wrong person than the individual at fault. Some of her writing in particular pointed AWAY from the responsible party. Seems like the major criticism she gets is NOT for breaking the story, but for doing it so poorly. I don’t deny Ronee’s courage so much as her judgment. Why don’t you ask the guy her “vague reporting” pointed to if it was understandable and justified? Yes, she didn’t name the person, but she described the perpetrator in such a way that it more accurately described the wrong person than the individual at fault. Some of her writing in particular pointed AWAY from the responsible party.

Seems like the major criticism she gets is NOT for breaking the story, but for doing it so poorly.

]]> By: Michael Netzer http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57202 Michael Netzer Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:01:20 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57202 Hey Elayne, I worry about readers who really think there's a 364 page document. It almost makes me want to write one. Hey Elayne, I worry about readers who really think there’s a 364 page document. It almost makes me want to write one.

]]> By: Michael Netzer http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57198 Michael Netzer Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:56:52 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57198 Actually Dan, it took a lot of courage to expose a story that blemished a respected industry figure who had a lot of support from the comics press. It took a lot of courage knowing the fire she'd come under and personal price she'd pay. What you said was due to her vague reporting, which is understandable and justified. The people to blame for naming the wrong guy should be the actual people who named him, not Ronee. But what's a small misrepresentation of courage amongst friends, eh? Actually Dan, it took a lot of courage to expose a story that blemished a respected industry figure who had a lot of support from the comics press. It took a lot of courage knowing the fire she’d come under and personal price she’d pay. What you said was due to her vague reporting, which is understandable and justified. The people to blame for naming the wrong guy should be the actual people who named him, not Ronee. But what’s a small misrepresentation of courage amongst friends, eh?

]]> By: Live Free or Dan Coyle http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57188 Live Free or Dan Coyle Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:31:54 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57188 "Beaurgois continued to absorb criticism for her courageous reporting" Took a lot of courage to passive-agreesively imply that it's one person working for an organization who has a completely different purpose than the organization of the actual guy. “Beaurgois continued to absorb criticism for her courageous reporting”

Took a lot of courage to passive-agreesively imply that it’s one person working for an organization who has a completely different purpose than the organization of the actual guy.

]]> By: duh http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57160 duh Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:17:46 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57160 People suck...film at eleven People suck…film at eleven

]]> By: Elayne Riggs http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57128 Elayne Riggs Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:26:32 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57128 Er, um, I thought the line about the 346 page document was a joke. Er, um, I thought the line about the 346 page document was a joke.

]]> By: Tuckenie (Chris Tucker) http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57109 Tuckenie (Chris Tucker) Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:43:20 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57109 What Neil said. What Neil said.

]]> By: KHuxford http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57104 KHuxford Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:40:56 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57104 I like Ronee and Mike, but I think it is funny that there are different spellings of Ronee's last name in one paragraph of Mike Netzer's description of his respect for her. :) That 346 page document will be a paperweight. Olney will never negotiate. I like Ronee and Mike, but I think it is funny that there are different spellings of Ronee’s last name in one paragraph of Mike Netzer’s description of his respect for her. :) That 346 page document will be a paperweight. Olney will never negotiate.

]]> By: Neil Kleid http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/comment-page-1/#comment-57061 Neil Kleid Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:37:13 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/09/im-digging-deep-cause-im-digging-for-treasure/#comment-57061 RAMPAGE! Oh, wait... RAMPAGE!

Oh, wait…

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