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		<title>By: David Horenstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/10/20/warning-political-content-ahead-and-superman/comment-page-1/#comment-25406</link>
		<dc:creator>David Horenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 05:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the link to that column Mark Millar wrote about how Superman isn&#039;t relevant any longer.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=thecolumn&amp;article=1376

&quot;So whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow? My theory is, like all pop icons, his time just came and went. Like Sherlock Holmes and Tarzan, his relevance expired. Because so few of us can remember a time when Superman DIDN&#039;T appear in Hollywood movies and multiple titles every month, we&#039;re fooled into thinking that things will always be the same. But they aren&#039;t. Times change and, like Atari games and winkle-picker shoes, Superman only exists for a dwindling number of followers and the occasional kitsch revival.&quot;

For a Pop icon that just expired, he sure gets his logo tattooed on a hell of lot of people. I don&#039;t see too many Captain America logo&#039;s on T-shirts, but a hell of a lot of people wear that &quot;S&quot; as jewelry, clothes, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the link to that column Mark Millar wrote about how Superman isn&#8217;t relevant any longer.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=thecolumn&#038;article=1376" rel="nofollow">http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=thecolumn&#038;article=1376</a></p>
<p>&#8220;So whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow? My theory is, like all pop icons, his time just came and went. Like Sherlock Holmes and Tarzan, his relevance expired. Because so few of us can remember a time when Superman DIDN&#8217;T appear in Hollywood movies and multiple titles every month, we&#8217;re fooled into thinking that things will always be the same. But they aren&#8217;t. Times change and, like Atari games and winkle-picker shoes, Superman only exists for a dwindling number of followers and the occasional kitsch revival.&#8221;</p>
<p>For a Pop icon that just expired, he sure gets his logo tattooed on a hell of lot of people. I don&#8217;t see too many Captain America logo&#8217;s on T-shirts, but a hell of a lot of people wear that &#8220;S&#8221; as jewelry, clothes, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: David Horenstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/10/20/warning-political-content-ahead-and-superman/comment-page-1/#comment-25402</link>
		<dc:creator>David Horenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 05:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant response Tom Foss.

Though, I think this was just Mark Millar&#039;s friend trying to explain how Superman just doesn&#039;t matter anymore, but *hint* *hint* Mark Millar would get the character and he would make him relevant again.

That post he did on Mark Millar&#039;s board is eerily similar to a column Millar did on Comic Book Resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant response Tom Foss.</p>
<p>Though, I think this was just Mark Millar&#8217;s friend trying to explain how Superman just doesn&#8217;t matter anymore, but *hint* *hint* Mark Millar would get the character and he would make him relevant again.</p>
<p>That post he did on Mark Millar&#8217;s board is eerily similar to a column Millar did on Comic Book Resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Foss</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/10/20/warning-political-content-ahead-and-superman/comment-page-1/#comment-25251</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Foss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The line &quot;truth, justice, all that stuff&quot; was a play on the sort of thing that Superman media has been doing for the last thirty-plus years. In Superman: The Movie, to the &quot;truth, justice, and the American Way,&quot; Lois replies that he&#039;ll be going after every politician in Washington. In the same film, Perry White juxtaposes one of his famous lines with his coffee order--&quot;And don&#039;t call me sugar!&quot; In Smallville, when Lana asks Clark what he stands for, he says &quot;truth, justice...stuff like that.&quot; Later in Superman Returns, it&#039;s &quot;Look, in the sky.&quot; &quot;It&#039;s a bird,&quot; &quot;It&#039;s a plane,&quot; &quot;No, it&#039;s--&quot; &quot;You wanted to see me, chief?&quot;

See, Superman&#039;s catchphrases have insinuated themselves into the public consciousness. Everyone knows them. If you say &quot;Look! Up in the sky!&quot; any American and most other people will be able to finish the comment. But ever since Underdog slipped &quot;It&#039;s a frog!&quot; into that familiar line, writers of Superman (and his parodic progeny) have put little twists on that line, and other lines, for humor value. 

It&#039;s true, people can and do take those familiar phrases and put different spins on them in order to make a point. When Thomas Jefferson reworded John Locke&#039;s famous statement of the essential rights--&quot;life, liberty, and property&quot;--substituting &quot;the pursuit of happiness&quot; for the last item, he was making a point, that freedom of personal choice was more important, more unalienable, than property. 

But that&#039;s not how it&#039;s been for the last several decades of Superman&#039;s history, and why would it start now? Instead, they&#039;ve done it for humor value. There&#039;s a term (probably a French term) for the humor derived from the tension of an unfinished line, and that&#039;s precisely what Singer &amp; co. did there, just as it&#039;s precisely what the Smallville writers did in the series pilot. 

If you&#039;re going to read anything into it, read what Singer explicitly stated: that it was part of a conscious effort to make the movie appeal to more than just Americans. 

But to condemn the film for something that&#039;s been done since the &#039;60s is absurd. I don&#039;t see anyone making the same complaint about the &quot;up in the sky&quot; line, or about Smallville&#039;s frequent use of the same technique, even though it&#039;s the same type of joke. People are reading insult and political commentary where there&#039;s only an attempt at humor. Methinks some dost protest too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The line &#8220;truth, justice, all that stuff&#8221; was a play on the sort of thing that Superman media has been doing for the last thirty-plus years. In Superman: The Movie, to the &#8220;truth, justice, and the American Way,&#8221; Lois replies that he&#8217;ll be going after every politician in Washington. In the same film, Perry White juxtaposes one of his famous lines with his coffee order&#8211;&#8221;And don&#8217;t call me sugar!&#8221; In Smallville, when Lana asks Clark what he stands for, he says &#8220;truth, justice&#8230;stuff like that.&#8221; Later in Superman Returns, it&#8217;s &#8220;Look, in the sky.&#8221; &#8220;It&#8217;s a bird,&#8221; &#8220;It&#8217;s a plane,&#8221; &#8220;No, it&#8217;s&#8211;&#8221; &#8220;You wanted to see me, chief?&#8221;</p>
<p>See, Superman&#8217;s catchphrases have insinuated themselves into the public consciousness. Everyone knows them. If you say &#8220;Look! Up in the sky!&#8221; any American and most other people will be able to finish the comment. But ever since Underdog slipped &#8220;It&#8217;s a frog!&#8221; into that familiar line, writers of Superman (and his parodic progeny) have put little twists on that line, and other lines, for humor value. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s true, people can and do take those familiar phrases and put different spins on them in order to make a point. When Thomas Jefferson reworded John Locke&#8217;s famous statement of the essential rights&#8211;&#8221;life, liberty, and property&#8221;&#8211;substituting &#8220;the pursuit of happiness&#8221; for the last item, he was making a point, that freedom of personal choice was more important, more unalienable, than property. </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not how it&#8217;s been for the last several decades of Superman&#8217;s history, and why would it start now? Instead, they&#8217;ve done it for humor value. There&#8217;s a term (probably a French term) for the humor derived from the tension of an unfinished line, and that&#8217;s precisely what Singer &amp; co. did there, just as it&#8217;s precisely what the Smallville writers did in the series pilot. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to read anything into it, read what Singer explicitly stated: that it was part of a conscious effort to make the movie appeal to more than just Americans. </p>
<p>But to condemn the film for something that&#8217;s been done since the &#8217;60s is absurd. I don&#8217;t see anyone making the same complaint about the &#8220;up in the sky&#8221; line, or about Smallville&#8217;s frequent use of the same technique, even though it&#8217;s the same type of joke. People are reading insult and political commentary where there&#8217;s only an attempt at humor. Methinks some dost protest too much.</p>
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		<title>By: David Horenstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/10/20/warning-political-content-ahead-and-superman/comment-page-1/#comment-25077</link>
		<dc:creator>David Horenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The movie didn&#039;t have enough action. That&#039;s why it didn&#039;t do better.

But, it did make more money than Batman Begins (worldwide) and trailed the last X-Men movie by less then 75 million (worldwide). It only trailed &quot;Last Stand&quot; by roughly 35 million dollars domestically.

Those DVDs of entire seasons of Adventures of Superman, Lois &amp; Clark, and all those cartoons have done quite well for Warner. 

As it&#039;s already pointed out, the character has had a hit TV show and is currently starring in a potentially popular cartoon show.

The next Superman movie will have more action and will do blockbuster numbers because of it. 

BTW, that character&#039;s books are selling better and generally smoke Captain America, Iron-Man, Thor, and a whole lot of other Marvel characters that &quot;matter more then he does.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The movie didn&#8217;t have enough action. That&#8217;s why it didn&#8217;t do better.</p>
<p>But, it did make more money than Batman Begins (worldwide) and trailed the last X-Men movie by less then 75 million (worldwide). It only trailed &#8220;Last Stand&#8221; by roughly 35 million dollars domestically.</p>
<p>Those DVDs of entire seasons of Adventures of Superman, Lois &amp; Clark, and all those cartoons have done quite well for Warner. </p>
<p>As it&#8217;s already pointed out, the character has had a hit TV show and is currently starring in a potentially popular cartoon show.</p>
<p>The next Superman movie will have more action and will do blockbuster numbers because of it. </p>
<p>BTW, that character&#8217;s books are selling better and generally smoke Captain America, Iron-Man, Thor, and a whole lot of other Marvel characters that &#8220;matter more then he does.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/10/20/warning-political-content-ahead-and-superman/comment-page-1/#comment-24958</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyle makes a great point.  If Superman were &quot;dead&quot; or &quot;soft&quot; in sales, his TV shows would&#039;ve bombed in season one, the movie wouldn&#039;t have grossed dollar one, etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyle makes a great point.  If Superman were &#8220;dead&#8221; or &#8220;soft&#8221; in sales, his TV shows would&#8217;ve bombed in season one, the movie wouldn&#8217;t have grossed dollar one, etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ubershep</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubershep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comic fans don&#039;t read comics for new stories.  They read comics to read old stories with a new twist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comic fans don&#8217;t read comics for new stories.  They read comics to read old stories with a new twist.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/10/20/warning-political-content-ahead-and-superman/comment-page-1/#comment-24908</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Superman character has become ’soft’ both in sales (disappointing comic and movie returns)...&lt;/i&gt;

Isn&#039;t Superman also the source for two recent hit TV series that were, at some point, one of the top audience draws on their network? Maybe the problem with Superman isn&#039;t the &quot;ontinuing debasement of the moral and idealistic heart of America&quot; but that audiences want Superman stories that offer something new from the ones they&#039;ve already seen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Superman character has become ’soft’ both in sales (disappointing comic and movie returns)&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t Superman also the source for two recent hit TV series that were, at some point, one of the top audience draws on their network? Maybe the problem with Superman isn&#8217;t the &#8220;ontinuing debasement of the moral and idealistic heart of America&#8221; but that audiences want Superman stories that offer something new from the ones they&#8217;ve already seen?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Anun.  Does everything have to be about Iraq?  For God&#039;s sake get off your soap box.  We don&#039;t want to hear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Anun.  Does everything have to be about Iraq?  For God&#8217;s sake get off your soap box.  We don&#8217;t want to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anun</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/10/20/warning-political-content-ahead-and-superman/comment-page-1/#comment-24860</link>
		<dc:creator>Anun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy.  I think people spent way too much time analyzing that line.  It was a way to say it without coming off cheesy.  The End.

And in recent years, I&#039;ve developed a whole new appreciation of Superman.  And for his portrayal of just being a plain good guy who just does what needs to be done, I will always have a special place in my heart for Routh&#039;s Superman.  He&#039;s the only superhero ultimately untouched by cynicism, and even a cynical curmudgeon like myself appreciates that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy.  I think people spent way too much time analyzing that line.  It was a way to say it without coming off cheesy.  The End.</p>
<p>And in recent years, I&#8217;ve developed a whole new appreciation of Superman.  And for his portrayal of just being a plain good guy who just does what needs to be done, I will always have a special place in my heart for Routh&#8217;s Superman.  He&#8217;s the only superhero ultimately untouched by cynicism, and even a cynical curmudgeon like myself appreciates that.</p>
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		<title>By: John Zito</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/10/20/warning-political-content-ahead-and-superman/comment-page-1/#comment-24850</link>
		<dc:creator>John Zito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but disagree.

Millar&#039;s Ultimate Cap is almost an indictment of the Bush Administration&#039;s policies.  Meanwhile, Civil War has turned 616 Cap into an insurgent.

Superman &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; the American Dream. Immigrating, assimilating and succeeding.

Don&#039;t confuse an &quot;ok&quot; movie and couple of crappy creative teams on Action Comics with utter irrelevancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but disagree.</p>
<p>Millar&#8217;s Ultimate Cap is almost an indictment of the Bush Administration&#8217;s policies.  Meanwhile, Civil War has turned 616 Cap into an insurgent.</p>
<p>Superman <em>is</em> the American Dream. Immigrating, assimilating and succeeding.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t confuse an &#8220;ok&#8221; movie and couple of crappy creative teams on Action Comics with utter irrelevancy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Church</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/10/20/warning-political-content-ahead-and-superman/comment-page-1/#comment-24843</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grame, why do you hate America?

F&#039;reals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grame, why do you hate America?</p>
<p>F&#8217;reals.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Laffoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Laffoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personal opinion....Superman is dead and should be.  He doesn&#039;t fit with what America is now.  He&#039;s boring and cliche&#039;.  The New Cap ROCKS!!  He fights for freedom the way he sees it, not the way the government tells him it is.  He&#039;s a true Hero...Superman just another illegal alien working in our country using social programs they don&#039;t help pay for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personal opinion&#8230;.Superman is dead and should be.  He doesn&#8217;t fit with what America is now.  He&#8217;s boring and cliche&#8217;.  The New Cap ROCKS!!  He fights for freedom the way he sees it, not the way the government tells him it is.  He&#8217;s a true Hero&#8230;Superman just another illegal alien working in our country using social programs they don&#8217;t help pay for.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodger</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/10/20/warning-political-content-ahead-and-superman/comment-page-1/#comment-24834</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The line in the movie was &quot;Truth, Justice, all that stuff.&quot;  &quot;Whatever&quot; makes it seem like truth and justice don&#039;t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The line in the movie was &#8220;Truth, Justice, all that stuff.&#8221;  &#8220;Whatever&#8221; makes it seem like truth and justice don&#8217;t matter.</p>
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