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Civil discourse.

October 20th, 2006
Author Graeme McMillan

Aint It Cool News hosts a roundtable about Civil War and the current state of Marvel Comics. And, as you’d expect, they’re very optimistic about everything:

“Well, the problem I immediately noticed about this whole CIVIL WAR nonsense is that, quite frankly, there’s only three African Americans in sight, and hell, one of them is dead already!!”

“The entire issue here has to do with the complete de-emphasis on character and elevation of plot to the level that there is no emotional impact other than the extreme disgust or extreme orgasm. Those going orgasmic over it are doing so because they literally do not give a shit about the individual characters.”

“No one aside from comic readers care that Reed Richards created a murderous clone of a Norse God… and even fewer people care that Black Goliath got killed. In five years time, the microscopic impact of CW will have completely vanished.”

“The difference between Stan & Jack and today’s writers is that today, heroism is something in need of deconstruction, dissassemblage. We have to ground our heroes these days. Stan & Jack gave the Marvel heroes weaknesses and humanity, but never forgot that they stood for a greater good. Today’s writers seem to only see the chinks in the armor and neglect to notice how heroic and interesting these characters can be.”

“I think I’ve mentioned this before, but I just can’t get past CIVIL WAR as an allegory for American politics. Stamford = 9/11, Iron Man = Bush, The Negative Zone = Secret CIA prisons, Sally Floyd = Keith Olbermann, Spider-Man = Valerie Plame, etc. etc… The story is just too close to the current political schism in the U.S. for me to enjoy any of it.”

Um. Ouch?

7 Responses to “Civil discourse.”
  1. Squashua Says:

    Dude, that was posted last week. And you thought AiCN Comics was slow. ;)

  2. Dan Coyle Says:

    Who says you’re supposed to enjoy it? Millar’s trying to goose the audience, make them feel uncomfortable.

  3. Ian Brill Says:

    “Spider-Man = Valerie Plame,”

    That and those other inferred one-to-one metaphors were almost too painful to read.

  4. Anok Says:

    I’ve been waiting for a series like this since the 70′s, when super hero comics actually had something to say about the world…not just a bunch of escapist fantasy hoo-ha….After 30 years Marvel has won me back. For a while at least.

  5. Cooper Says:

    Anok is right. I feel like Marvel is trying to elevate the medium. Make it a little bit more than tights and tits.

    As far as changes to Reed and Tony? For once these characters, Captain America too, are cooler than the X-men. How great is that?

  6. Simon Says:

    Er, I take it you guys missed Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Ellis’s StormWatch/Authority etc then?

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    You understand how those of us who want heroes to be heroes and our stories to be worth something.

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