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Civil War #4 – Man Playing God Playing Man?

September 24th, 2006
Author Carla Hoffman

Clor! It’s a new bussword on the internet!

Clor! It’s the truely terrifying return of the God of Thunder for Marvel Comics!

Clor! It’s a weird turn of events in an epic storyline for an entire universe!
Civil War #4 - Clor!

Clor! … Can they really do that?

For those of your just tuning in, Thor returns as a genetic clone devolped by the brain trust of Tony Stark, Reed Richards and Hank Pym. As a savage, brutal creature, he killed Goliath and seemed bent on utter destruction of any who opposed him. The three scientists and forward-thinkers worry about what went wrong with their special project. Why did he go berserk like that? He doesn’t seem like Thor at all, he doesn’t even seem human.

Civil War #4 - Holy HellHe shouldn’t. He’s a god, according to Marvel.com; norse All Father Odin wanted a child of both Asgard and Midgard, ‘wooed’ the goddess of the Earth and voila, baby Thor, God of Thunder. Yes, he had a mortal body as part of Odin teaching his son humility, but he still ‘became’ Thor with all the godly powers thereof and I’m sticking with that. So, while we’ve been asking ourselves ‘is cloning playing God?’, we find out that cloning a god himself isn’t all that out of our reach. But is that even possible? Could hair and skin samples saved correctly from the first Avengers meetings be later used to create something more than mankind itself?

Actually… yes. Again, keeping in mind this is not about ‘God’ but ‘god’ (capitalization is everything), Merriam-Webster’s online dictionary tells me that a god is “a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship“. It’s a requirement of the job to have human worship. So a god technically only has as much consciousness as humanity gives it as part of what defines him is a what reverance or honor is given to him.

The clone of Thor is a means to an ends. He was not created out of any desire to see an old comrade back or a need to have a God of Thunder again, as far as we are shown; Clor was created to even the tides of battle in a superhero civil war. There is a lot of animosity out there coupled with little understanding from either side, so I doubt that there is any deferrance or honor given to their creation. There is a shutoff switch, a way to control that which they have created, showing dominance over the divine. Since their project was an undercover one, it’s not as if they brought him out among friends. Now, Iron Man and Mister Fantastic being men of science, I’m not expecting them to break out an altar and slay a fatted calf for their creation. I’m not even expecting them to get exactly what they have done, which is create a god-like being out of DNA without the heart or soul that goes into something of a divine nature. Clor can only have as humanity or compassion or conscious as humanity itself gives him.
Lying there on the operating table with his head being drilled into, former friends and comrades treating him like nothing more than a useable tool, we can only ask ourselves…

Civil War #4 - Not Good

“What have they done?”

16 Responses to “Civil War #4 – Man Playing God Playing Man?”
  1. c. towns Says:

    you know, i’ve never been a fantastic 4 fan, and flipping through this at the comic shop(just so i’d be up on the message board discussions) just makes me not like reed even more and less likely to try fantastic 4 books. and also, i was just starting to like iron man and all this happens.

    still, the arts nice and its an interesting story from what i’ve gathered. i might check this out in trade.

  2. Tuckenie Says:

    I’m pretty sure that Reed in this story is a clone as well. He must be because it sure as hell looks like they’re throwing away all the character development he’s gone through, ever. I seriously don’t believe that’s the same Mr. Fantastic from Mark Waid’s excellent run. That man was a good father and excellent husband (what does Marvel have against those anyway?) and wouldn’t even think to clone Thor. I don’t care about Iron Man. I never have and this story certainly isn’t convincing me to, but tell me when the REAL Mr. Fantastic comes back, not this charlatan.

  3. Scott King Says:

    The whole “Clor” thing doesn’t really matter. Just wait long enough and things will be re-vamped/fixed/changed/”No-More-Mutants.”

  4. Will Says:

    Coming soon in Civil War #5 – Ben Reilly!

  5. Dan Says:

    The biggest problem I see with Clor is this is a repercussion that cannot just disappear. Tony, Reed and Hank “created” a weapon kill destroy Cap and his team and killed Goliath.

    You can disagree about something and fight strongly about an issue like registration and then come back together at some point. But how can any of these parties ever come back together again without some Deus Ex Machina coming down.

    Could you ever reconcile with your significant other if you knew they created something to destroy one of your oldest friends? I doubt it.

    However, with that said, I do want to know how they “fix” it. Because we all know that Reed and Sue will be together and Tony and Cap at some point have to become friendly again. Let’s just hope it’s something rational and not a punching Superboy/Wanda rationale.

  6. coop Says:

    You know what would be neat? If they didn’t fix it. If we all just kept pursed lips for a few years and let them try.

  7. Tuckenie Says:

    You know what would be really neat? If they told this story without vastly changing characters to fit their story. I’m fine with change and all but this isn’t good storytelling at the moment. Sue makes love to Reed one last time because it’s good for the immune system? The hell? These are characters that have been married for forty years! Let’s try to pretend like everyone isn’t as cynical as Mark Millar for once in our lives.

    But you’re right coop. I hope they don’t fix it. Because that would make all this character destruction a cheap waste of time.

  8. DBHughes Says:

    I just realized that this is like “Reign of the Supermen”. Thor is “dead”; but others are appearing to take his place. So far we have the clone and the black guy (Beta Ray’s new persona), so how long before we get the logical one with no personality and the cyborg?

  9. Kyle Cowstar Says:

    It is possible to tell a great story without screwing up favorite characters…but apparently no one writing comics cares besides Peter David.

  10. Lex Says:

    I can’t help but think that Millar crapped all over one of the greatest comics characters ever created. How are they going to salvage Reed after Civil War is over? He’s no longer a character I want to read about.

    Just like what Meltzer did with Dr. Light. He used to be a cool villain, but after what happened in Identity Crisis, I have no interest in seeing that character again.

  11. moose n squirrel Says:

    “Clor” is the name of a band.

  12. belgarion Says:

    Clor? Does this mean he is a Clod?

  13. Matthew E Says:

    Okay, I have a theory. I don’t even read Marvel and I have a theory.

    One of the complaints I’ve seen is that it’s out of character for Cable to be giving up on the fight.

    Well, what if he’s not giving up? He’s a time traveler, right? Maybe he figures that this timestream is doomed to lead to the kind of future dystopia he didn’t like in the first place, and therefore it’s time to call for a do-over. Maybe he’s just gonna go back in time and prevent the initial disaster that caused all this mess in the first place. Wouldn’t that be more in-character?

    And problem solved. No Clor. Nobody knows who Spider-Man is. Goliath still alive. Reed and Sue still together.

  14. Tuckenie Says:

    Matthew E I’d believe you were right except it’s Millar writing and not Bendis. Millar doesn’t usually go for the deus ex machina.

  15. Matthew Says:

    Mind controlling bacteria!

  16. Lazarus Says:

    So Reed’s invasion of the negative zone to build his prison creates the annihilation wave. Now, he also creates a clone that kills. Iron man’s always been boring & silly. (How he can always reverse the energy/frequency/whatever & suddenly he can go toe to toe with magneto or whoever. just silly.) Now Reed is destroyed. guess i’ve never much cared for reed, either. rest of the ff are more interesting. gotta say i really like cap now. never got too into red skull & the rest, so this is interesting. just wish the series would be more from the resistance side & less of the pro reg behind the scenes. easy to hate the pro reg when you see what they are doing with the prisons & such. #4 was a let down compared with #3. #3 was great.

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