Comments on: Amateur Art Appreciation: The Groom http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Sun, 19 May 2013 11:18:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Mark Thorson http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/comment-page-1/#comment-12293 Mark Thorson Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:51:55 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/#comment-12293 The first thing I thought when I saw the cover was, where's Iron Man or Cap's word balloon saying "I do"? The first thing I thought when I saw the cover was, where’s Iron Man or Cap’s word balloon saying “I do”?

]]> By: spiralsheep http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/comment-page-1/#comment-12185 spiralsheep Mon, 21 Aug 2006 00:35:22 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/#comment-12185 Good analysis. Another aspect which I find interesting in the three women's positions in relation to T'Challa is that he is turned away from his step-mother (she's giving part of him up now he has a wife) and Kitty is turned away from him (the unmarried young woman isn't paying attention to the married man). He should be returning Ororo's attention (reflecting their new wife and husband partnership) but he's too busy facing outwards towards the world (too busy being the King to be the husband). Good analysis.

Another aspect which I find interesting in the three women’s positions in relation to T’Challa is that he is turned away from his step-mother (she’s giving part of him up now he has a wife) and Kitty is turned away from him (the unmarried young woman isn’t paying attention to the married man). He should be returning Ororo’s attention (reflecting their new wife and husband partnership) but he’s too busy facing outwards towards the world (too busy being the King to be the husband).

]]> By: Tim O'Shea http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/comment-page-1/#comment-11873 Tim O'Shea Sat, 19 Aug 2006 04:54:39 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/#comment-11873 I look at Cap and Iron Man and am strangely reminded of 1970s children educational show The Electric Company's "Soft-Shoe Silhouettes" (Two cast members appear in silhouette, one giving the prefix of the word, the other the suffix, to form a new word (e.g., "th-" and "-ing" to form "thing"). Most notable for the soft-shoe-type music that plays during the segment. Done twice through, sometimes with the viewer trying to read the word the second time through. The song usually ended with the two saying a soft "yeah!") [Thanks, wikipedia] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Company I look at Cap and Iron Man and am strangely reminded of 1970s children educational show The Electric Company’s “Soft-Shoe Silhouettes” (Two cast members appear in silhouette, one giving the prefix of the word, the other the suffix, to form a new word (e.g., “th-” and “-ing” to form “thing”). Most notable for the soft-shoe-type music that plays during the segment. Done twice through, sometimes with the viewer trying to read the word the second time through. The song usually ended with the two saying a soft “yeah!”)
[Thanks, wikipedia]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Company

]]> By: Lisa Fortuner http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/comment-page-1/#comment-11834 Lisa Fortuner Sat, 19 Aug 2006 01:18:26 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/#comment-11834 Gorjus -- I tried to fit a duel-perspective in there, taking that into account, but I read through the issue and was completely unable to find Storm's viewpoint on the conflict. T'Challa's position was made clear, he was leaning slightly on Capt America's side but maintaining neutrality as shown, but for that symbolism to work Storm had to be more sympathetic to Iron Man and I saw no evidence of that. Steve -- You realize there are several hundred fanfics in various stages of writing based on that kissing concept? And most likely Kitty's leaning aside so that she doesn't directly obscure our view of T'Challa. Don -- Thanks, spell-check doesn't cover fictional country names. I saw the word and clicked on ignore. Fixed now! As for the back cover, as I pointed out in the first paragraph, the front was what stared at me from the rack, the front was what depicted the story. Though, I suppose it is significant that the back showing of the wedding guests together was overshadowed by a statue or representation of T'Challa's patron diety, the Panther God who granted him his power and virility. Gorjus — I tried to fit a duel-perspective in there, taking that into account, but I read through the issue and was completely unable to find Storm’s viewpoint on the conflict. T’Challa’s position was made clear, he was leaning slightly on Capt America’s side but maintaining neutrality as shown, but for that symbolism to work Storm had to be more sympathetic to Iron Man and I saw no evidence of that.

Steve — You realize there are several hundred fanfics in various stages of writing based on that kissing concept?

And most likely Kitty’s leaning aside so that she doesn’t directly obscure our view of T’Challa.

Don — Thanks, spell-check doesn’t cover fictional country names. I saw the word and clicked on ignore. Fixed now!

As for the back cover, as I pointed out in the first paragraph, the front was what stared at me from the rack, the front was what depicted the story. Though, I suppose it is significant that the back showing of the wedding guests together was overshadowed by a statue or representation of T’Challa’s patron diety, the Panther God who granted him his power and virility.

]]> By: Don http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/comment-page-1/#comment-11827 Don Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:33:53 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/#comment-11827 Interesting analysis. I'd be curious to hear what Frank Cho had to say about your interpretation of the cover. Are you going to do an expanded analysis of the full gatefold cover? Or does the back cover have nothing to add to the meaning? Also, it's "Wakanda", not "Watanda". Interesting analysis. I’d be curious to hear what Frank Cho had to say about your interpretation of the cover. Are you going to do an expanded analysis of the full gatefold cover? Or does the back cover have nothing to add to the meaning?

Also, it’s “Wakanda”, not “Watanda”.

]]> By: Steve Flack http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/comment-page-1/#comment-11809 Steve Flack Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:46:34 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/#comment-11809 And is there any good reason why Kitty Pryde is crooked, or is it just a bad drawing? -Steve! And is there any good reason why Kitty Pryde is crooked, or is it just a bad drawing?

-Steve!

]]> By: Steve Flack http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/comment-page-1/#comment-11808 Steve Flack Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:45:35 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/#comment-11808 What I get from the cover is that, swept up in the moment, Captain America and Iron Man are fighting hard to not put aside all their recent differences, and just make out. But that's just me. -Steve! What I get from the cover is that, swept up in the moment, Captain America and Iron Man are fighting hard to not put aside all their recent differences, and just make out.

But that’s just me.

-Steve!

]]> By: gorjus http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/comment-page-1/#comment-11769 gorjus Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:20:24 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/#comment-11769 Interesting take; at first I was really confused by Cho's "lopsided" composition. Might an argument be made that the persons in the background are actually arranged in that fashion to reflect their stances in the ongoing Civil War? Interesting take; at first I was really confused by Cho’s “lopsided” composition.

Might an argument be made that the persons in the background are actually arranged in that fashion to reflect their stances in the ongoing Civil War?

]]> By: Dan Jacobson http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/comment-page-1/#comment-11764 Dan Jacobson Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:16:27 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/#comment-11764 Meanwhile, her (limited) series--the entire purpose of which was to justify and support the wedding--ends, while his (ongoing) series continues. Good thing they brought in a romance writer. Y'know, for the ladies. Meanwhile, her (limited) series–the entire purpose of which was to justify and support the wedding–ends, while his (ongoing) series continues. Good thing they brought in a romance writer. Y’know, for the ladies.

]]> By: Chris Laffoon http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/comment-page-1/#comment-11755 Chris Laffoon Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:06:12 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/#comment-11755 I just hope Storm shows up in other books. I bought the wedding issues just to see her get married but won't be buying any BP after this. I never liked the character and would have rather her get back with Forge but they need to get people to read Black Panther somehow so why not give him one of the biggest names in Marvel. Now's she's just a waste and the cover proves it. She's not her own person anymore...just his shadow. She's the Robin to his Batman...oh wait, wrong company..but you get the idea. I just hope Storm shows up in other books. I bought the wedding issues just to see her get married but won’t be buying any BP after this. I never liked the character and would have rather her get back with Forge but they need to get people to read Black Panther somehow so why not give him one of the biggest names in Marvel. Now’s she’s just a waste and the cover proves it. She’s not her own person anymore…just his shadow. She’s the Robin to his Batman…oh wait, wrong company..but you get the idea.

]]> By: longshot7 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/comment-page-1/#comment-11738 longshot7 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:42:11 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/#comment-11738 great analysis. This shows why a lot of people were against the wedding from the beginning - mostly because it seemed Storm was being turned from an independent feminist woman into a subservient wife. While I don't think anyone would ever accuse Cho of being feminist, this analysis of his cover art shows why he is anything but. Congratulations to Marvel on turning a constant 2nd-tier character into a major player, but in doing so, they've knocked down several important female characters down the ladder when they didn't need to. great analysis. This shows why a lot of people were against the wedding from the beginning – mostly because it seemed Storm was being turned from an independent feminist woman into a subservient wife. While I don’t think anyone would ever accuse Cho of being feminist, this analysis of his cover art shows why he is anything but. Congratulations to Marvel on turning a constant 2nd-tier character into a major player, but in doing so, they’ve knocked down several important female characters down the ladder when they didn’t need to.

]]> By: Rchilton http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/comment-page-1/#comment-11734 Rchilton Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:37:25 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/#comment-11734 Fascinating stuff. More, please! Fascinating stuff. More, please!

]]> By: Josh http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/comment-page-1/#comment-11733 Josh Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:37:09 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/08/18/amateur-art-appreciation-the-groom/#comment-11733 Storm on the cover really disturbs me. Gone is the regal elegance of a goddess, here she seems more like a high school girl in lust. What happened to the woman who spurned T'Challa's advances? Where is the woman who knows she's her own woman and believes she is equal to, if not better than, any man? Storm on the cover really disturbs me.

Gone is the regal elegance of a goddess, here she seems more like a high school girl in lust.

What happened to the woman who spurned T’Challa’s advances?

Where is the woman who knows she’s her own woman and believes she is equal to, if not better than, any man?

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