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True fans try to help their heroes…

August 9th, 2006
Author Graeme McMillan

The Joe Quesada board is taking it upon itself to try and help Marvel deal with their largest “genie” – The Spider-Marriage:

I believe I have found the perfect solution. I can’t take full credit for this, as it’s based on some comments I’ve seen others make on the internet, and previous Marvel continuity, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Marvel’s writers were planning this, before any fans thought of it.

Something bad happens to Spider-Man’s loved ones in a high profile storyline (perhaps the JMS/ Quesada mini series) as a result of Spider-Man’s identity being public. Doctor Strange offers to make the world forget that Spider-Man is Peter Parker (the same way the world forgot about the Sentry in the Sentry mini series.) Peter agrees, and finds himself in a changed world.

Almost everyone who knows Spider-Man’s identity has forgotten it. This could include Norman Osborn, who remains in charge of Oscorp, with no one aware of his other life (***, he could’ve forgotten that he’s the Green Goblin.)

This also includes Mary Jane Watson, who never knew that Peter Parker was Spider-Man, and never married him. They may’ve still dated a bit, and they could do so in the future.

I’d use the mini series to show Peter’s reactions to the new world, as he makes some major decisions. What should he tell Aunt May? etc. Then I’d follow it with a relaunch of the major Spider-Man books (as this is a bigger deal than the event which led to the first relaunch seven years ago) and reference the older continuity a lot less.

Venom, thanks to the alien symbiote could remember the world as it once was, and use his abilities to make Norman Osborn remember, to restore them as the two villains who know Spider-Man’s identity. Norman Osborn would pretend to gain amnesia again, and become a far more “behind-the-scenes” villain, at least for the first mega-arc.

What do you guys think?

Other fans aren’t so convinced…
“Too much of a copout, IMO.  We’re talking about a 20 year status quo here.  This is the Spider-Man that a couple of generations of readers have grown up with.  Some guy waving his hand just seems cheesy to me. Even beyond that, the big problem I have with splitting up Peter and MJ is then what?  If you have them dating again, it’s kind of silly to break them up in the first place.  If the idea is to have him reunite with an old love, then it still just seems kind of silly.  If you’re going to do it, then whoever the creative teams are need to be doing what they can to actually develop new love interests.  And what’s more, do it in a way that the new character actually draws reader interest in the same way MJ did once upon a time.  Given that no one has attempted to even go so far as to attempt create an ongoing supporting cast member since that kid Todd DeZago used pre-reboot, I’m not particularly overwhelmed with confidence that Marvel can pull it off.”

And some others have much simpler suggestions:

“Maybe the Scarlett Witch can just say ‘no more marriages’ and reset all of Marvel’s marital continuity.”

“Witness. Protection. Program.”

“Even easier.  Next issue of Amazing, FNSM, and Sensational?  Young, single, college student Peter Parker.  Freelance photographer for the Daily Bugle.  How?  Who cares?  Put Whedon/Romita jr on Amazing, PAD/Ringo on FNSM, and Bendis/Cambell on Sensational and most folks will keep reading.”

“Let things be, and use the current potential to tell new stories. Or you could just whine till Marvel does something to hammer in the ‘good old days’.”

23 Responses to “True fans try to help their heroes…”
  1. Ignacio Alcuri Says:

    Come on… it’s very similar to what DC did with Wally West after Flash #200. The Spectre (Hal Jordan at that time) made everyone forget that Wally West was Flash. Even Wally forgot it.

  2. Dean+ Says:

    As if comics continuity wasn’t complicated enough. I really don’t want to ever say, “Remember when Peter was married to MJ before Doc Strange reset the universe?”

    P.S. For good Spidey stories call Spidey Loves MJ.

  3. Scott King Says:

    I grew up with them married. Since I did I don’t really see what the big deal is. I think the whole mess should just be left alone.

  4. Matthew E Says:

    Couldn’t Superboy-Prime just punch something?

  5. James W. Powell Says:

    It’d be even better if Parker forgot who Spider-Man was, too. Imagine the fun of him relearning his powers.

  6. Homero Says:

    I like Parker and MJ married. Because, you know, thats what people do. Get married. Peter is the average Joe of the 616. Thats why people love him.
    Instead of focusing on this single aspect of two multifacted characters, why not focus how heroics effect their marrige? Surly its not as easy as MJ makes it looks at times. Every marriage has its issues, and The City can easisy be Peters ‘other woman’ that makes MJ jeleous. Of course she would be conflicted because she would know that he feels responsible for protecting people, but that sometimes, she would just want him to stay home sometimes.
    Conflict. Its not that hard.

  7. Thacher E. Cleveland Says:

    I am really sick of the whole “Peter has to be single, because you cant tell all the stories you can with a married Spider-Man.” Really, and you can tell all the stories you can with Spidey`s ID all over the place? It doesn`t make any sense, and something this divisive should just be left as is rather than make more problems later down the road.

  8. Tom Spurgeon Says:

    If any of this somehow means the return of superhot crazy nerd Debra Whitman, I’m on board.

  9. Scott Iskow Says:

    Ya know, people can have lives outside of their marriage. It may not be as suspenseful as dating, but there are always pressures exerting themselves from one angle or another. And if the marriage is so dull, just give it less “screen time” and focus on something else. Ya don’t have to erase the thing.

  10. Graeme McMillan Says:

    I’ve never heard of Debra Whitman, but now I feel as if I’m missing out. Superhot, crazy *and* a nerd?

  11. Homero Says:

    You know, I thought the time is ripe for Debra to make her return in some capacity or another. Peter needs more supporting characters.

  12. jake saint Says:

    It would’ve been great if everyone else had had the same response to Peter’s revelation as Deb Whitman did:
    (not a real quotation, but close)
    “oh, hahaha, thank you Peter. You look ridiculous. You have made me realize that you could not be Spider-man and therefore I am not a nutjob.”
    “er… yes, yes, you are a nutjob, Deb.”

    I still say Martha Connors is the only gal for Websy.

  13. JR Says:

    When I first brought up the Dr. Strange angle (on the CBR forums and the old Comics Should Be Good site) I was joking, and I even admitted to adapting it from an unused Superman proposal. I find it rather amusing how it’s been picked up and run with in the manner it has.

  14. Adam Says:

    I think that something like this is already being set up with the “get out of jail free” token Loki gave Spidey in ASM #504. Have they dealt with that yet? I don’t keep up with the title regularly.

  15. Adam Says:

    Here’s a link to a summary of the issue I was talking about:
    http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/reviews/spiderman_amazing/504.html

  16. killerseamonkey Says:

    I can see the advantages to having Spider-man back closer to the original vision and the movie version. Young, struggling hero is what he is. Marriage is something that can work only for certian superheroes, like the patriarchal Superman, but I agree that Peter makes more sense single. And since Marvel is going to HAVE to do something about Spidey’s identity crisis they might as well do a fix on his marriage too. I don’t think they should have certain villains remember the “time before” though. Too convoluted. Make a fresh start tabula rasa.

  17. Mithel Says:

    Hasn’t the latest talk at Marvel concerning Doc Strange been all about how they don’t want him to be Marvel’s Deus Ex Machina plot device anymore?

    They’re putting him on a superteam, giving him a new mini(Which I’m very excited about, by the by), but this idea just seems like a reverse in direction before they’ve even changed anything.

    I care very little for Spider-Man(Excepting his rogue’s gallery), but don’t mess with the Doctor.

  18. becken Says:

    idea for end of marriage: some magical/cosmic entity comes to MJ & tells her that peter is destined to die & the only way to save him is to become a Spectre/dr fate (magical keeper of order or something), but if she becomes that everybody will have to forget about her ever existing. so she sacrifices her life with him for his life

  19. Yam Says:

    This “oh yeah, you can’t tell as many stories with him unmasked” thing? yeah, its bull. What stories can’t you tell exactly? The exact same stories that we’ve been telling for the past 30 years. If anything, the unmasking opens up the door for many MORE, NEW stories.

  20. killerseamonkey Says:

    Good luck with THAT.

  21. SpiderTeo Says:

    Damn, are they going to bring Gwen Stacy in there as well? No Spidey romance is complete without some Gwen sprinkled in!

  22. R. Nav Says:

    Yea, it’s just not a proper Spider-Man story if there isn’t a Gwen Stacy to kill off!

  23. tm Says:

    Exactly what stories can’t they tell? I’ve never heard Quesada tell that. Only stories about dating, I guess. They’ve done the storyline about Spidey dating the Black Cat oh about 20 years ago, so that’s not exactly new. I can’t think of anything else they can’t do.

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