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By: Shawn W

Shawn W — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:29:03 +0000

I’ve been reading more and more indies lately. I don’t think someone like Brian Wood has sold out because he’s gone to Vertigo to make DMZ. I think he has bills to pay. I don’t think Steve Niles has sold out, because he’s still with IDW. It’s not about selling out…it’s about producing work that will sell on the indie market that DC and Marvel wouldn’t dream of publishing. And that’s what makes indies great – they’ve got a bit of everything.

By: Matt M.

Matt M. — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 04:03:20 +0000

“De-stroy. Kill all hippies.”

There. I beat Graeme to it.

By: Graeme McMillan

Graeme McMillan — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:46:07 +0000

Derek -

I remain proud that, in the first few days of Blog@Newsarama, I have made blatant references to the work of Neil Hannon, Christina Aguilera and Elliott Smith. Next up: Gruff Rhys, Bobby Gillespie and Casey Dienel. Potentially.

By: Derek B. Haas

Derek B. Haas — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:14:55 +0000

Newsarama was among the last places I would’ve expected to see a Divine Comedy reference tonight.

By: Bakema NL

Bakema NL — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:23:40 +0000

I have always liked a mix of things. Superheroes are great, but lots of indy stuff is great too. And hailing from Europe makes everything from that area indy already compared to American comics, especially superhero comics, as that’s about the only genre that’s not covered here.
Without indies on my reading pile comics would become boring eventually, I like a wide variety of things, not just one genre.
Indy creators selling out…….hmmmmm, or trying to reach a wider audience, depends on how you look at it. We had “Starchild” once upon a time and it was a great book. It went to Image eventually. So is that selling out or reaching a bigger audience. It was still the same book, done by the same creator, but with a far better known company logo on it and there are more examples. The creators doing work for the dreadfull big 2………it’s their choice. I don’t blame them for going for the money. And let’s be honest, most of the time, we as readers, benefit too, because these guys oftentimes bring that little something different to the table. I don’t see this as selling out. A lot of time it has an elitist way of thinking behind it. You are familiar with somebody’s work, which is not widely known, but very good. It’s your little secret and once the whole world finds out about it the attraction is gone and WHAM, you drop the title/creator, whine about his mainstream work etc. etc…….happens in music too and while I do understand the attraction of something not widely known but you knowing and liking it I don’t take it so far as to make a 180 degree turn when something or someone just takes off. You must be glad for it. As long as the integrity of the person and his/her work stays intact, the new mainstream work must not feel forced, that’s something you’ll notice. But I think that’s a rare thing.
So while I like my share of indie stuff…..and there’s lots of stuff that’s more indie than what I buy……I also like lots of mainstream things. And I don’t like it when people talk down on that either. There’s an audience for all of it and there’s no problem liking what you like personally, to each his own. Most indies just have to fight harder for it, but quality will surface and sell itself…..if not, then bad luck, the audience wasn’t there, doesn’t make the work any less good, this can happen.

By: Dan Coyle

Dan Coyle — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:10:10 +0000

EVERYONE sells out. It’s just a matter of price.

By: Chris

Chris — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:36:00 +0000

Great article! I agree about people missing-out on some great indy works. That is the main reason that I started the cIndyCenter.com podcast.

By: Heinrich

Heinrich — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:22:15 +0000

“that’s easy […] just have all the ‘indy’ creators stop selling out”

Wow. That Bendis Regular guy doesn’t have a clue.

By: Kody Chamberlain

Kody Chamberlain — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:56:59 +0000

Thanks for the link! To be fair, the debate on the Bendis board was carried over from a train of thought I had while replying to a Warren Ellis hypothetical on The Engine.

http://www.the-engine.net/forum/messages.php?webtag=ENGINE&msg=3034.1

By: Dan Coyle

Dan Coyle — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:10:42 +0000

McMillan and the Bendis board… it’s been too long.

By: Chris Hunter

Chris Hunter — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:04:07 +0000

Graeme’s very careful to find the right ones, Shane…

By: Shane Bailey

Shane Bailey — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 18:29:23 +0000

“do illustation gigs to pick up some extra cash”

Isn’t that the same thing as selling out if you’re just doing the work for the cash, what difference does it make that your doing it for the New York Times, Marvel, DC, Nike, or even yourself. I think you can work for the big two and not sell out, you just have to be doing it for the right reasons. The money helps, but if you really have a story to tell, who cares what you get paid for it? It’s none of my business.

I don’t know how you find these threads.